Beer, poetry and a foray into festivities with poet, playwright and actor, Ben Norris. We chat about Ben's success as a Poetry Slam Champion, ego, lockdown mental health and of course, his beginnings of writing poetry. We take a sidestep into The Real Ale Podcast and Ben educates me about Only Fans before he visits Poetry Corner to read Before the War, We Made a Child by Ilya Kaminski.

Chat recorded in November 2020.