These messages make me smile a great deal. Thank you.

Ben Rubin is a millennial with old bones who came of age during acid house.  He was an insider in the UK's £11 Billion consulting industry.  He has seen how policy is made and implemented and has a special interest in UK Gov's fascination with DNA and capturing our very essence,

Ben and Ben could have talked about all of that but instead, they talk about the separation of church and state, why rave culture was so dangerous, how the controllers curate our reality, and how we can get this country back on track in 5 years from a standing start.

They promise they will talk about the grown-up stuff in another episode.

You can follow and support Ben's work and support him on Substack by checking out Rise (https://riseuk.substack.com/) and Pattern 18 (https://pattern18.substack.com/p/welcome-to-pattern).

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