What does it take to motivate a team of people? Offer a carrot or wield a stick? One man who has a fair idea is Ben Ryan, the most successful rugby sevens coach in the world. After a successful stint in charge of England, he upped sticks and moved to Fiji where he was initially met with some suspicion, before leading them to a first ever Olympic gold and being hoisted onto the team's shoulders after the medal ceremony. As well as his keys to motivation, Simon and Ben discuss black magic, dealing with the ultimate scary boss and the importance of following your gut.