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Ben & Ryan Show - Management in the AI Age


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Ben and Ryan Show Episode 9

In this episode your hosts, Ben Nadel and Ryan Brown, talk with Shawn Gorrell and explore diverse topics ranging from AI applications to organizational psychology and ethics, emphasizing practical tools and thoughtful strategies for teams and individuals.


Key points:

• AI as a spectrum: Some embrace it as life-changing, while others fear its implications.

• Early AI exploration focused on ethics and societal impacts.

• Ethical frameworks often lag behind technological advancements.


AI's practical applications, such as automating tedious tasks, were highlighted, with Shawn discussing potential benefits for developers:

• Automating unit testing could save time and increase efficiency.

• AI's role as an assistant or "intern" to augment but not replace human expertise.

• Validation remains critical to ensure output reliability.

Shawn emphasized the importance of prompts and domain knowledge for effective AI use.


They explored organizational and individual growth, discussing how to create meaningful work environments:

• Helping others achieve goals can foster personal growth.

• Transparency in team dynamics, such as working agreements, improves collaboration.

• Intentionality in interactions, especially in remote or hybrid work setups, enhances effectiveness.


The ethics of AI, especially in decision-making, was examined:

• Past AI missteps, like biased hiring algorithms, underscore the need for accountability.

• Predictive policing and crime data illustrate potential for reinforcing systemic biases.

• Informing consent and transparency in algorithms are vital to building trust.


Shawn shared insights on soft skills and people management:

• People skills are a key differentiator for success in technology roles.

• The balance between technical expertise and empathy fosters better teams and outcomes.

• Team exercises, like identifying unnecessary tasks, can drive efficiency and morale.


The episode closes with reflections on creativity, evolving frameworks, and career motivations.

• Technology should alleviate mundane tasks, enabling more focus on innovation and enjoyment.

• Tools like AI can aid creativity but should complement, not replace, human ingenuity.

• Keeping foundational skills while adapting to tools like GPT ensures long-term success.


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