This week, Jason continues the conversation with , Ben Sauer. An accomplished author, conservationist, and now launching a brand new clothing line called Crook Lives. In this episode, Jason talks about one of the worst plane trips traveling to Las Vegas. Ben also talks a bit about future projects and where the character Vilem Horvath came from.

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