Beneath the Surface Podcast

Christie Waggoner sits down with Sarah Fischer of Nature’s Pantry Farm to unpack how a nursing career, a family farm, and a growing concern about food quality led Sarah into regenerative farming. They dig into why food prices, health issues, and farming practices are all connected, and why more families are looking for local, chemical-free food. In this episode, they explore the difference between conventional agriculture and regenerative farming, the real cost of producing food, and why many people are rethinking what goes on their family’s table. The conversation is rooted in faith, stewardship, and practical hope for families who want healthier options.

Key Topics

• Sarah shares how her journey started in nursing school at Mayo Clinic, where she first heard that people were getting sicker and would require more from healthcare.
• She explains how her dad’s questions about rising illness led him to investigate food production, chemicals, and the connection between farming practices and human health.
• The conversation focuses on glyphosate, Roundup, and the World Health Organization’s classification of glyphosate as a probable carcinogen, which helped push Sarah toward changing how her family ate and farmed.
• Sarah describes the transition from conventional farming to regenerative farming, including learning through books, YouTube, Joel Salatin’s work, and local community demand.
• Christie and Sarah discuss the hidden economics of food, including government subsidies, low grocery prices, rising input costs, and why conventional food can appear cheap only because someone else is paying part of the bill.
• They compare the true cost of local meat with the cost of convenience, including examples like bulk beef purchases, butcher fees, and fast food costs for a family.
• The episode highlights how regenerative farming works in practice, with daily cattle moves, long rest periods for soil recovery, and a focus on rebuilding microbiology in the land.
• Christie and Sarah emphasize health, prevention, and personal responsibility, especially for families dealing with autoimmune issues, thyroid problems, allergies, and anxiety about what they are eating.
• The discussion broadens into faith and stewardship, with references to Psalm 24, Leviticus 25, Matthew 6, and the idea that the earth belongs to God and should be cared for accordingly.
• They end with hope, encouraging listeners to support local farmers, ask questions, build grassroots community networks, and vote with their dollars.

Matthew 6:31-34 "So do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?" or "What shall we drink?" or "What shall we wear? For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

What happens when Jesus doesn’t simply improve your life—but rebuilds it from the foundation up?

In this episode, Christie sits down with husband-and-wife team Sutton and Rachel Ward for an honest conversation about addiction, sobriety, health, purpose, marriage, and the restoring power of Jesus Christ.

Rachel and Sutton share their journey of overcoming health challenges and finding strength in faith and prayer. The conversation covers Rachel's health struggles, the diagnosis and prognosis, navigating treatment and lifestyle changes, working with family and faith, and a health crisis with divine intervention.

The chapters cover the fight for life, the turning point, the diagnosis and hospitalization, the journey to recovery, the role of faith and determination, the impact of water and healing, the spiritual and mental transformation, and the discovery of healing water.

Together, Sutton and Rachel are the team behind High Vibration Hydration, a movement rooted in the belief that lasting transformation begins by addressing the foundation: your water, your body, your purpose, and—most importantly—your relationship with God.

We also discuss why caring for our physical health matters when we want to fulfill the purpose God has placed on our lives. Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, and stewardship isn’t about perfection—it’s about becoming healthy, present, and available for what God is calling us to do.

No matter how broken the foundation may feel, Jesus is still in the business of restoration. Your past does not disqualify you, and the places that once held pain can become part of the testimony God uses to reach someone else.

Connect with Sutton and Rachel:

Instagram:

Rachel — @heyrachel.ward

Sutton — @svtton_ward

High Vibration Hydration:

www.highvibrationhydration.com

Martin’s Water Treatment:

www.martinswatertreatment.com

Listen, share, and send this episode to someone who needs the reminder that Jesus can rebuild everything.

What happens when a spiritual experience that promises healing, enlightenment, and freedom becomes something much darker?

In this episode of Beneath the Surface, Christie sits down with Tyler Schoettle to hear his incredible testimony—from his younger years and spiritual searching to entering the world of ayahuasca, indigenous ceremonies, spirit guides, and eventually a spiritual battle that changed everything.

Tyler shares how he believed he was connecting with spiritual beings that were guiding him toward truth. During an ayahuasca ceremony, however, he entered into an agreement with these entities—an agreement he would later come to understand very differently.

What once appeared spiritual, enlightening, and even beautiful began revealing a much darker reality.

Tyler opens up about the spiritual attacks that followed, the deception he experienced, and the moment he began recognizing that the beings he believed were helping him were not what they claimed to be. And ultimately, he shares how Jesus Christ changed the entire story.

We talk about:

• Tyler’s life before ayahuasca and what led him to seek deeper spiritual experiences

• His involvement with ayahuasca ceremonies and indigenous spiritual practices

• The “spirit guides” and entities he encountered

• The agreement he made during ceremony and why he describes it as signing away his soul

• The spiritual attacks that followed

• How something that appeared to offer healing became deception

• The moment Tyler began questioning who—or what—he was actually communicating with

• Spiritual warfare and the reality behind counterfeit spirituality

• How Jesus broke the agreement and brought Tyler back to truth

• What Tyler would tell someone considering ayahuasca today

This conversation isn’t about sensationalizing the supernatural. It’s about asking a deeper question:

Just because something is spiritual… does that mean it comes from God?

The Bible warns us to “test the spirits to see whether they are from God.” — 1 John 4:1

Tyler’s story is a powerful reminder that not every spiritual experience is what it appears to be—and that no agreement, deception, bondage, or darkness is beyond the authority of Jesus Christ.

If this episode makes you think of someone who is exploring ayahuasca, psychedelics, New Age spirituality, spirit guides, manifestation, or alternative spiritual practices, send it to them.

And if Tyler’s story resonates with you, tell us in the comments: Have you ever experienced something that initially felt spiritual or good, but later realized it wasn’t what you thought it was?

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Christie sits down with Joslyn Nicholson for a raw conversation about childhood loss, trauma, addiction, abuse, and the long road back to peace. Joslyn shares how Jesus met her in the middle of chaos and how healing has become both deeply spiritual and deeply embodied.This episode matters for anyone who feels stuck, spiritually exhausted, or unsure why prayer alone has not shifted their pain. Christie and Joslyn talk candidly about nervous system healing, deliverance, and what lasting freedom can actually look like.

• Joslyn shares that her trauma began at age 5, when she learned her mother was dying of cancer and had to process that loss as a child.
• She describes how her mother’s faith shaped her early life, including nightly prayer and Bible reading, and how that spiritual foundation stayed with her even in darkness.
• In this episode, Joslyn explains how her mother’s death led to severe anxiety, insomnia, phobias, disordered eating, and a growing desperation to reconnect with her.
• She opens up about turning to witchcraft, Ouija boards, and the occult in childhood and early adolescence as a way to reach her mother.
• Joslyn shares how grief, dysfunction, and lack of emotional safety at home contributed to rebellion, drug use, promiscuity, and a double life as a high-performing student and athlete.
• She recounts a violent abusive relationship in adulthood, including stalking, manipulation, sexual degradation, and being held at gunpoint.
• Christie and Joslyn discuss the difference between spiritual warfare and trauma responses, and why some wounds cannot be healed by prayer alone if the root is never addressed.
• Joslyn explains her work in trauma-informed Christian coaching, including inner healing, somatic tools, prophetic prayer, and deliverance.
• She describes how she uses gentle regulation, body awareness, and Holy Spirit-led prayer to help clients move through shutdown, fear, rejection, and fragmentation.
• Christie and Joslyn both emphasize that healing is not just “trying harder” spiritually. It is a process of truth replacing lies, safety replacing shame, and Christ meeting people at the root.

• Healing the root, not just the symptom
• Regulation before revelation
• Trauma-informed ministry that makes room for the Holy Spirit
• Gentle somatic work with prayer and prophetic listening
• Deliverance as both spiritual warfare and inner restoration

“Stay close to Jesus. Always stay close to Jesus.”

“Healing is experiencing God where it used to feel unsafe.”

“You were not made for this. You were made for more.”

• If prayer, fasting, and Bible reading have not brought lasting change, consider whether a deeper wound needs attention.
• Look for trauma-informed support that also makes room for faith and prayer.
• Stop minimizing pain just because someone else “had it worse.”
• Pay attention to patterns of shutdown, hypervigilance, and rumination as possible signs of unresolved trauma.
• Seek spaces where you can be seen, heard, and witnessed without judgment.

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Olivia shares her journey from witchcraft and the occult to encountering Jesus in the midst of a ritual. She describes her experiences with new age practices, demonic encounters, and the deceptive allure of the occult. Her encounter with Jesus brought peace and fulfillment, leading to a transformation in her life. She also discusses the counterfeit nature of the occult and the requirement of repentance in the kingdom of God. The conversation delves into the challenges of trusting in an unseen God, the journey to finding freedom in Christ, and the establishment of a biblical trauma-informed ministry. It also explores the importance of renewing the mind with scripture and the need for equipping churches to address trauma and abuse. The conversation delves into the importance of a supernatural worldview and a kingdom perspective, the significance of raising a generation of spiritual warriors, and the need for spiritual healing and preparation for the end times.

Takeaways

• Encountering Jesus in the midst of darkness can bring overwhelming peace and love.
• The occult offers a counterfeit of the kingdom of God, lacking the requirement of repentance.
• Freedom in Christ comes from knowing God's character and nature, and renewing the mind with scripture is essential for experiencing this freedom.
• Equipping churches to address trauma and abuse in a biblical way is crucial for helping individuals who have experienced hardship. Supernatural worldview and kingdom perspective are essential for spiritual understanding.
• Spiritual healing and preparation for the end times are important aspects of faithHow the law of attraction, visualization, and "energy work" opened the door to deeper occult practices.
• Why counterfeit spiritual experiences can feel loving, safe, and even holy.
• How new age teachings keep people trapped on a hamster wheel of pain, trauma, and escalation
• The difference between spiritual encounters without repentance and true freedom in Christ.

Chapters

• 00:00 Encountering Jesus in the Occult
• 05:03 The Deceptive Allure of the Occult
• 10:06 The Counterfeit Nature of the Occult
• 20:04 The Requirement of Repentance
• 35:53 Trusting in an Unseen God
• 39:02 Journey to Freedom in Christ
• 43:13 Establishing a Biblical Trauma-Informed Ministry
• 01:00:47 Supernatural Worldview and Kingdom Perspective
• 01:01:14 Raising a Generation of Spiritual Warriors
• 01:03:25 Spiritual Healing and Preparation for the End Times

Melissa and Christie also unpack the role of trauma, attachment, and false religion in shaping how people see God. Olivia shares how a Christian coffee shop friend, Jerilyn, changed everything simply by loving her first, praying for her, and eventually leading her to Jesus.The conversation goes even deeper into what freedom in Christ actually feels like, why renewing your mind with Scripture is non-negotiable, and how Olivia's story led her into biblical counseling, Bible college, and ministry work through Wall of Fire. https://walloffire-ohio.org

If you've ever wondered why the occult feels so alluring, why so many people are drawn to new age spirituality, or how God really rescues someone from deception, this episode will challenge you, encourage you, and point you back to the only truth that actually sets people free.

Olivia Page

@olive.branch.faith

Explore how today's festivals and concerts may be more than just entertainment, they could be manifestations of ancient rituals and spiritual warfare.

• The origins of festivals: from Mesopotamian rituals to pagan traditions
• The biblical perspective on God's festivals versus pagan festivals
• The spiritual symbolism in modern concerts and festivals, including frequency, imagery, and ritual elements
• The role of music, dance, and symbols in spiritual and occult practices
• The dangers of altered states, portal opening, and the influence of demonic or spiritual realm contact during large gatherings
• The significance of counterfeit festivals and their connection to occult deities like Baal, Moloch, and Ishtar
• The influence of the supernatural in modern pop culture, including artists like Beyonce and Taylor Swift
• The biblical warnings against idolatry and worship of celestial bodies
• Case study: The AstroWorld tragedy and its possible spiritual underpinnings

• Leviticus 23 - God's Festival commands
• Deuteronomy 4:19 - Warnings against idolatry
• Romans 1:18-25 - The critique of worshiping creation
• Laura Sanger on Frequencies - The impact of tuning on health and consciousness
• CERN Official Website - The particle collider often associated with portals
• Astroworld Incident Reports - Details on the 2021 disaster

Lilith Exposed | Origins, Myth & the Demonic Agenda

Who is Lilith? Is she really Adam’s first wife, or is that one of the most widespread myths in modern culture?

In this episode of Beneath the Surface, we separate biblical truth from centuries of folklore, mythology, and occult tradition. We trace Lilith’s origins from ancient Mesopotamian culture through Jewish tradition, examine the only place the name “Lilith” appears in the Bible, and discuss how her story has evolved into a powerful symbol within New Age spirituality, witchcraft, and popular culture.

We’ll explore questions like:

Is Lilith actually found in Scripture?

Where did the story of Adam’s “first wife” originate?

What does Isaiah 34 really say?

How do ancient Mesopotamian beliefs connect to Lilith?

Why has modern culture embraced her as a symbol of empowerment?

What can Christians learn about spiritual discernment from this topic?

We’ll also examine the broader biblical themes of rebellion, deception, spiritual warfare, and the importance of testing every claim against God’s Word. Rather than building doctrine on folklore or internet speculation, we’ll look carefully at the historical context, the Hebrew text, and what Scripture clearly teaches.

Whether you’ve heard Lilith discussed in connection with ancient mythology, occult practices, feminism, or spiritual warfare, this conversation will equip you to think critically and biblically about one of history’s most mysterious figures.

“Test everything; hold fast what is good.” — 1 Thessalonians 5:21

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This episode of Beneath the Surface Melissa and Christie dive into the themes of repentance, forgiveness, and the role of faith in finding freedom from spiritual oppression. The conversation delves into the process of deliverance and the steps involved in achieving freedom from strongholds and generational patterns. It emphasizes the importance of forgiveness, renouncing sin, breaking strongholds, and receiving the Holy Spirit's healing. The legacy of faith and healing is discussed, highlighting the impact on future generations.

Takeaways

• Spiritual deliverance involves repentance, forgiveness, and a deep commitment to faith.
• Confession of sin brings darkness into the light and invites healing and accountability.
• Fear and anxiety are considered as sins and are rooted in a lack of faith. Forgiveness releases bitterness and aligns the heart with Christ's teachings.
• Renouncing sin involves rejecting previous influences and agreements with fear, lies, and ungodly practices.
• Deliverance involves breaking strongholds, commanding spirits to leave, and receiving the Holy Spirit's healing.
• The legacy of faith and healing impacts future generations, breaking generational patterns and creating a new trajectory of freedom and healing.

Chapters

• 00:00 The Role of Repentance and Forgiveness
• 40:33 The Power of Forgiveness and Release
• 50:11 Breaking Strongholds and Commanding Spirits
• 01:00:28 Renouncing Sin and Receiving Healing
• 01:10:57 Creating a New Legacy of Faith

In this powerful episode of Beneath the Surface, we dive deep into one of the most discussed yet often misunderstood topics in spiritual warfare: generational curses and strongholds.

Are patterns of sin, trauma, addiction, broken relationships, or spiritual oppression truly passed down through family lines? What does the Bible actually say? And how do we find lasting freedom through Jesus?

We explore key Scriptures like Exodus 20:5, Ezekiel 18, Galatians 3:13, and 2 Corinthians 10:3-5. Through honest conversation, personal stories, guest insights (if applicable), and biblical truth, we unpack how sin creates cycles—but Christ breaks them. This isn’t about superstition or fear; it’s about discernment, repentance, renewal of the mind, and walking in the victory already won at the cross.

Whether you’re seeing repeating struggles in your family (addiction, poverty mindsets, anger, occult involvement, etc.) or want to leave a godly legacy, this episode equips you with truth and practical steps. The cycle stops here—in Jesus’ name.

Key Takeaway: You are not doomed to repeat your family’s history. In Christ, you are a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17). Generational patterns can be recognized, repented of, and replaced with blessing.

Chapters

• 00:00 Introduction to Generational Curses and Strongholds
• 06:04 Breaking Generational Curses
• 10:57 Biblical Concepts and Scriptures
• 29:02 Personal Testimonies and Reflections
• 36:07 Impact of Cultural Strongholds
• 43:21 The Influence of Social Media on Identity
• 49:26 The Impact of Self-Worth on Relationships
• 55:30 The Power of Self-Talk and Forgiveness
• 01:00:48 The Importance of Biblical Knowledge
• 01:09:24 Creating a New Legacy of Freedom
• 01:15:28 Empowering Future Generations

What the Bible Says About Generational Curses

The primary verses are in the context of the Ten Commandments and God’s character:

Exodus 20:5-6 (ESV): “You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.”

Similar in Exodus 34:6-7, Numbers 14:18, Deuteronomy 5:9.

Explanation:

“Visiting iniquity” means God allows the natural consequences of sin to ripple through generations—learned behaviors, modeling, environmental factors, and sometimes spiritual oppression where doors were opened (e.g., idolatry, occult). It’s not God actively punishing innocent children, but the outworking of sin in a fallen world. Ezekiel 18:20 clarifies: “The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father…” Each person is accountable.

Understanding Strongholds (2 Corinthians 10:3-5)

“For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ…”

Prayer Against Curses and Strongholds :

Heavenly Father, I come before You in the mighty name of Jesus. I repent for any sin in my life or in my family line that has opened doors to curses or strongholds. I renounce [name specific patterns: addiction, occult, fear, etc.]. I break every generational chain by the blood of Jesus. I declare I am a new creation. Every stronghold is torn down. Holy Spirit, fill me afresh. I choose blessing and obedience. Amen.

For years, Anastasia Gerali was deeply immersed in the New Age movement as a teacher, clinical hypnotherapist, and trauma specialist. What she thought was leading people to healing was actually leading her further from the truth. Then everything changed.

After a powerful encounter with Jesus Christ, Anastasia walked away from New Age spirituality, soft occult practices, and the beliefs she once taught. Today, she helps women find true freedom through Christ, healing from trauma, and spiritual restoration.

Join us as we dive deep into the transformative journey from New Age spirituality to a faith-based life in Christ. In this episode, Anastasia shares her powerful story of healing, deliverance, and the truth behind spiritual warfare. Discover how she helps women break free from trauma and align their lives with God's kingdom.

* The hidden dangers of New Age practices
* How trauma can make people vulnerable to spiritual deception
* What led Anastasia to leave it all behind
* Deliverance, healing, and finding freedom in Jesus
* How to discern truth in a world full of counterfeits

This is a conversation you won't want to miss.

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Guest: Anastasia Gerali Instagram @the.reborn.anastasia

Takeaways

• New Age Deception
• Dangers of Manifestation Ayahuasca retreat experience
• Spiritual journey and transformation Healing and deliverance through Christ
• Understanding the spiritual realm

Chapters

• 00:00 New Age Spirituality and Manifestation
• 08:47 The Spiritual Influence and Consequences
• 15:56 The Journey into New Age Practices
• 23:31 The Transition to Hypnotherapy and Light Language
• 31:36 Ayahuasca and Spiritual Awakening
• 42:25 Ayahuasca Retreat Experience
• 57:03 Mental Health Struggles and Spiritual Awakening
• 01:12:49 Theosis and Spiritual Freedom
• 01:27:08 The Power of Christ's Sacrifice
• 01:41:41 Healing, Deliverance, and Spiritual Understanding