The final of three interviews we recorded at Toronto's Harbourfront Centre as part of the Toronto International Festival of Authors.

With novelists André Forget author of In the City of Pigs, and Naben Ruthnum author of A Hero of Our Time we spoke about their darkly comic novels that play with themes of work, art, and the unreality of even so-called real estate.

Beneath the veneer with Naben Ruthnum and André Forget