Bertha Vazquez is the Director of the Richard Dawkins Foundation’s Teacher Institute for Evolutionary Science (TIES)

Andy and Jack sit down with Bertha to discuss science education, teaching, curriculum standards and more!

To find out more about the TIES program visit: https://richarddawkins.net/ties/

As always you can find Jack at: https://twitter.com/ledflashing and http://zxh-creative.com

And Andy At: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/laughingindisbelief/ or https://twitter.com/laughpurgatory.

To support the show, please consider visiting http://patreon.com/nakeddiner

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