On this episode of Better Things Ahead, Michael sits down with Debbie Logan and Pat Childress to have an honest conversation about grief — specifically the loss of a spouse. They share personal insight, encouragement, and wisdom for anyone walking through this difficult season. If you’d like to connect with Ridgecrest’s Grief Ministry or need help finding a ministry in your area, please contact [email protected]. And please excuse the audio quality — this episode was filmed before our upgrades, but the conversation was too important not to share.