💼 The Leadership Lesson Every Property Manager Needs | Episode 18 | Bryan Jenkins

In Episode 18 of Between Two Hats, hosts Patrick Osman and Philip Burton sit down with Bryan Jenkins — military veteran, real estate investor, and President of Genstone Property Management — for a conversation packed with leadership gems, property management truths, and investment strategies that actually make sense in today’s market.

Bryan walks us through his journey from military service to property management, sharing the lessons, discipline, and mindset shifts that shaped how he leads people, handles HOAs, communicates with clients, and builds teams that actually solve problems instead of just pointing them out. The guys dive into the human side of business (yes, even in property management), why communication beats chaos every time, and how leaders can scale by building problem-solvers — not bottlenecks.

You’ll also hear Bryan break down modern real estate investing with straight-shooting clarity, from DSCR loans to Airbnb and corporate housing, plus how Genstone is building a “sticky ecosystem” with smart tech, better systems, and proactive management.

If you’re in property management, real estate investing, Airbnb, SFR/BTR, or you just love hearing how military leadership translates into business… this one’s for you.

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💼 From Subway to SFR Success | Jeffrey Tesch on Discipline, Cash Flow & Leadership

In this episode of Between 2 Hats, hosts Patrick Osman and Phillip Erik Burton sit down with Jeffrey Tesch, CEO of RCN Capital, to talk about his journey from running Subway franchises to becoming one of the most respected voices in private lending and real estate investing.

Jeff shares lessons from decades in the industry—on building relationships, maintaining discipline in any market, and spotting opportunities for cash flow even when the economy shifts. From his early days learning operations through sandwiches to leading a national lending firm, Jeff proves that mindset and consistency are the foundation of success.

💡 Highlights from this episode:

- How running a Subway franchise taught Jeff the fundamentals of business discipline
- The power of personal connections in real estate and leadership
- How to leverage equity and financing options for smarter investing
- Why positive cash flow deals still exist—even with high interest rates
- Building a winning culture through servant leadership and humility

What today’s market means for individual investors and long-term growth

This episode is packed with insights for real estate professionals, investors, and entrepreneurs looking to scale their mindset—and their portfolio.

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🚀 Phil Yi: SFR, Entrepreneurship & How RVP Changes Resident Benefits

In this episode of Between Two Hats, hosts Patrick Osman and Phillip Burton sit down with Phil Yi—a former Navy submariner, McKinsey alum, and now CEO of Starship Residential and Chief Commercial Officer at Utility Valet.

Phil shares his inspiring journey from military service to the startup and real estate world, unpacking the timeless lessons of entrepreneurship, the role of trust in business relationships, and why cash flow and NOI are non-negotiables for scaling success.

💡 Highlights from this episode:

How Phil’s Navy background shaped his leadership and business strategy
The emotional resilience needed to thrive in entrepreneurship and startups
The balance between competition vs. collaboration in the SFR (Single-Family Rental) and BTR (Build-to-Rent) industries
Why sales skills and consumer experience drive long-term success
The launch of Utility Valet’s Resident Value Package (RVP)—a new approach to utility services and resident benefits designed to boost NOI and improve property cash flow

This conversation blends practical business insights with personal stories, offering valuable takeaways for anyone in real estate, property management, or entrepreneurship.

🎧 Don’t miss this deep dive into scaling trust, cash flow, and innovative solutions like RVP in today’s evolving market.


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In Episode 15 of Between Two Hats, Patrick Osman and Phillip Burton welcome Adam Haleck, CEO of Northpoint Asset Management, for a deep dive into the world of property management and real estate leadership.

From his beginnings in American Samoa to building a nationwide presence in SFR and BTR, Adam shares his journey of resilience, growth, and what it takes to lead in today’s competitive real estate market. He opens up about the importance of building authentic connections, the role of technology in creating seamless resident experiences, and why transparency and accountability are essential for lasting success.

The conversation dives into how a winning culture is built—one that empowers teams, prioritizes resident satisfaction, and adapts to market challenges. Adam also reflects on the lessons learned from scaling Northpoint across multiple states and markets, proving that strong relationships remain at the heart of every business.

In a powerful closing segment, Patrick, Phillip, and Adam address the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk. Together, they condemn political violence, share empathy for Charlie’s family, and highlight the urgent need for respectful dialogue in today’s divided world.

Whether you’re an investor, property manager, or simply passionate about the future of real estate, this episode delivers valuable lessons on leadership, culture, and the human side of business.

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In this heartfelt episode of Between 2 Hats, hosts Phillip Burton and Patrick Osman, along with special guest Adam Haleck, honor Charlie Kirk and reflect on the tragic events that recently shook America. They discuss Charlie Kirk’s character, his commitment to healthy debate, and the importance of civil discourse, even amid strong disagreements.

From Utah’s conservative culture to lessons on personal responsibility, faith, and community response, this episode explores how tragedy can serve as a moment for reflection, unity, and growth.

💬 Topics Covered:

Charlie Kirk’s legacy and influence on civil debate
The line between words and violence in today’s society
How Utah responded to tragedy with calm and faith
Reflections on parenting, morality, and societal values

Join us as we honor a man who stood for dialogue, integrity, and inclusivity, even in disagreement.

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In Episode 14 of Between Two Hats, Patrick Osman and Phillip Burton sit down with Scott Tinkham, VP of Construction at ILE Homes, for a deep dive into the Single Family Rental (SFR) industry and what it takes to succeed in today’s market.

From his unexpected start in the limousine business to leading construction and rehab projects in real estate, Scott shares the lessons he’s learned about people, partnerships, and scaling in a competitive industry. The conversation explores everything from property management strategies and rehab decisions to why flooring choices like vinyl plank are changing the game.

Scott also opens up about the challenges of bidding at the courthouse, why market trends demand smarter investment decisions, and how building trust with contractors and vendors can make or break your success. Above all, he emphasizes that the future of SFR isn’t just about properties—it’s about relationships, transparency, and partnerships that last.

Whether you’re an investor, property manager, or just curious about the evolution of SFR and real estate construction, this episode is packed with insights on where the industry is headed and how to stay ahead.


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In this deeply reflective episode of Between 2 Hats, hosts Patrick Osman and Phillip Burton sit down with Bobby Triplett—former music pastor turned real estate leader—to unpack the raw truths of fatherhood, friendship, and personal growth.

From his early dreams of rock stardom to becoming a key figure in the SFR (Single-Family Rental) and BTR (Build-to-Rent) real estate space, Bobby shares a powerful journey marked by faith, resilience, and emotional intelligence. Through honest conversation and moments of laughter, the trio explores the challenges of raising boys, balancing nurturing and discipline, and maintaining identity through career transitions.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating the intersection of parenting, career, leadership, and manhood. Whether you're a father, mentor, or simply on a path of personal development, you’ll walk away with practical insights and a renewed perspective on life, values, and relationships.

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What happens when three leaders drop the filter and get real about culture, politics, leadership, and what it actually takes to grow a business that lasts?

In Episode 12, Darren Williams—President of Portico Property Management—joins hosts Patrick Osman and Phillip Burton for a wide-ranging, unfiltered conversation that starts with cigars and ends with hard truths about America, company culture, emotional intelligence, and how to lead without ego.

You’ll hear:

Why culture beats strategy—every single time

How emotional intelligence shapes great leadership

What Japan can teach America about systems, crime, and civility

Honest takes on immigration, politics, and patriotism

Why the moderate middle is where real change happens

How to protect company culture as you scale

Whether you’re in property management, entrepreneurship, or just sick of echo chambers, this episode will challenge your assumptions and leave you thinking deeper.

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She grew up on construction sites in the Chicago suburbs — now she’s leading one of the most powerful vendor ops teams in the Single-Family Rental (SFR) industry.

In this episode of Between 2 Hats, we sit down with Stacy Lusader, Senior Manager of Vendor Experience at FirstKey Homes, for a raw, unfiltered conversation about leadership, hiring, and the human side of the SFR and real estate game.

From a legacy family construction business to a national role in Single-Family Rental operations, Stacy brings decades of insight and fire to an industry that’s changing fast.

We talk about:
💥 Contractors aren’t vendors — they’re partners.
💥 Leadership isn’t about control — it’s about trust.
💥 And if your team isn’t growing, you’re doing it wrong.

Whether you're in SFR, construction, vendor management, or just want to hear from a badass woman rewriting the rules — this real estate podcast is for you.

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How do you go from signing every check to leading a real estate powerhouse?

In this episode of Between 2 Hats, we sit down with Richard Ross, CEO of Quinn Residences, to unpack what it really takes to build and scale a company in the SFR (Single-Family Rental) space. From CPA to public company boardrooms to launching Quinn from the ground up, Richard’s 40-year journey is the blueprint for bold leadership, smart risk, and legacy-building in real estate.

We get into:
🔥 Why your job title doesn’t define your ceiling — and when it’s time to lead
🔥 What it’s like to be employee No. 1 and build a company from scratch
🔥 The future of SFR — and why we’re just in the first inning
🔥 The hard shift from operator to visionary CEO
🔥 Why real wealth isn’t built billing hours — and what it takes instead
🔥 The mindset moves that separate professionals from players in this game

With leadership experience across multiple NYSE-listed REITs and decades of operational and financial discipline, Richard drops a masterclass on scaling smart, hiring right, and thinking bigger in a competitive market.

If you’re in real estate, leadership, private equity, or just grinding to build something that lasts — this one’s for you.

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