Lady Pluto of Safe Space Utopia joins us for a soul-deep conversation about spiritual gifts and church trauma. As a medium who grew up in church, she opens up about working in the astral realm while knowing what Leviticus says about consulting spirits. Meanwhile, I share my raw truth about believing my abortion sent both me and my baby straight to hell - and how that church teaching created years of deep trauma.

Through sharing her story of losing her son Adrian at 7, and my journey of pregnancy loss, we dive into how religious teachings can wound us. Lady Pluto speaks her truth as a death doula and healer, while breaking down how she embraces her gifts despite traditional opposition. This episode strips away pretense to explore what happens when church teachings meet lived experience.