Every doula gets asked the same question by every client: what do I actually need in my hospital bag? The online lists exist, but they leave everyone wondering what's missing, what's overkill, and what they'll actually use. So Amsy sat down to go through it — category by category — so you can send this episode to your pregnant friend instead of typing it all out again. 

Documents & essentials: ID, insurance card, phone, extra long charger, and two printed copies of your birth plan. Pro tip: have your partner memorize the intake questions ahead of time. Nobody wants to answer the same questions four times while contracting.

Labor comfort: Battery-operated candles, a TENS unit, spiky balls, an eye mask or sunglasses (bright lights are a hormone disrupter), earplugs, lip balm, hair ties with no metal, massage tools, essential oils, and your own pillows and blankets.

Clothes: Skip the hospital gown — bring your own. Pack a robe, slippers, shower shoes, loose pajamas, nursing-friendly tops, and a going-home outfit. Bring more than you think you need.

Snacks — their own category, as they should be: You are allowed to eat in labor. Pack granola bars, electrolyte packets, peanut butter pouches, honey sticks, and gum. Even if you don't touch anything during labor, you'll be glad you have snacks at 3am.

Postpartum: Your own toiletries, your own nipple balm (skip the lanolin), and any medications including Tums — it takes forever for the hospital to bring them.

For your partner: Layers, their own toiletries, charger, snacks, and their own pillow — they are not getting yours.

Baby: Car seat installed, going-home outfit, your own baby soap. Less clothing than you think — newborns spend most of their time skin-to-skin or in just a diaper.

Leave at home: A suitcase of baby clothes, multiple swaddles, your giant diaper box, and books. (Card game only if it's a long induction.)

C-section bonus: High-waisted underwear, loose pants, slip-on shoes, and a pillow for the ride home.

Final word: Have your partner pack the bag so they know where everything is. Leave the boppy and pump supplies in the car. And remember — it's not prison. You can have things delivered if you forget something. The most important things you'll bring are your support team and your flexibility.

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What if one of the biggest threats to your birth experience isn't your due date, your hospital, or your provider — but your inability to say no? 

Amsy and Stephanie are back this week with an episode that is going to hit close to home for a lot of people. People pleasing isn't just a personality quirk. In pregnancy, birth, and postpartum, it can cost you your experience, your confidence, your feeding goals, and your sense of self. And the worst part? Most of us don't even realize we're doing it. 

What is people pleasing, really? 
It's doing something you don't want to do — or not doing something you do want to do — because you're afraid of what someone else will think. It's self-abandonment dressed up as niceness. And from the moment we start going to pediatrician appointments as kids, we are trained to trust authority over our own instincts. By the time we're pregnant, that pattern is deeply grooved. 

Where it shows up in pregnancy: 

• Saying yes to every event and every visitor even when your body is screaming no 

• Letting people touch your belly when you hate it 

• Choosing your OB, midwife, or hospital because your mom or sister or best friend wants you to — not because it's the right fit for you 

• Allowing people into your prenatal appointments when you'd rather go alone 

• Not asking the questions you actually have because the provider seems rushed and you don't want to be difficult 

• Ignoring your gut when something feels off because the doctor said it's fine 

Where it shows up postpartum and in feeding: 

• Quitting breastfeeding because a relative is uncomfortable with it 

• Adding formula because a well-meaning grandma insists the baby is still hungry 

• Continuing to breastfeed long past when you're emotionally done — because someone else wants you to 

• Changing your entire feeding plan because your partner is uncomfortable with public nursing 

A note on partners: 
People pleasing can happen even within a relationship you trust. When there's a disagreement about birth or feeding decisions, the hosts are clear: the person carrying the baby gets to make the call. Partners' fears and preferences matter and deserve respect — but ultimately it is her body, her birth, and she is the one who lives with the outcome. 

Practical tools to start practicing: 

• Pause before you answer. Instead of an automatic "I'm fine" or "no we're good," take two seconds to actually assess. Start at the restaurant. Build from there. 

• Ask yourself three questions: Do I actually want this? Does it support my values? Am I just afraid to disappoint someone? 

• Remember: someone being disappointed does not mean you did something wrong. You will disappoint people as a parent. That is not a failure. 

• Start small: Decline one invitation. Say no to one visitor. Ask one extra question at your next appointment. Set one boundary in pregnancy, birth, or feeding. Repeat until it's second nature. 

This episode pairs well with Episode 8 (the BRAIN acronym) and Episode 26 (building psychological capital) — go back and listen if you haven't. 

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We've heard Carlee's story across two episodes. Now it's Shane's turn. 

Shane Castro — husband, dad, and business development director — sits down with Amsy and Stephanie to share what the last two years have looked like from his side of the room. The losses, the C-section he never saw coming, the tongue tie journey, and what it actually means to show up for your partner when you don't always have the words. 

This one is for the partners. And honestly, it's for anyone who has ever watched someone they love go through something hard and felt completely helpless. 

On loss — from a dad's perspective: 
Shane is candid about something that doesn't get nearly enough airtime: grief looks different for partners, and that doesn't mean they're feeling it less. Watching Carlee go through the physical, mental, and emotional pain of miscarriage was in some ways harder than his own grief — because he couldn't fix it. And calling ten people to tell them the same devastating news over and over again after each loss? One of the hardest things he's ever done. 

On celebrating in small steps: 
After multiple losses, Shane says he no longer celebrates a pregnancy announcement the way he used to. Now they celebrate each milestone: a heartbeat, a fetal pole, the NIPT results. Each step forward is its own small win. It's a reframe that's both heartbreaking and genuinely wise. 

On the C-section: 
Shane was opposed to it — until he wasn't. The shift came with information. Once he understood that transverse meant a vaginal birth simply wasn't an option, and once he saw how the team showed up, his only goal became: get Carlee and Elias here safely. He still carries a quiet grief that she didn't get to experience labor the way she'd hoped. He names it plainly: he feels like she was robbed of that experience. 

On being a support person: 
Shane had never been in a delivery room before. He didn't know what to expect, what to do, or how to help. He credits the Swann Collaborative team — Amsy, Stephanie, and the network they built around the Castros — with being the voice of reason throughout. He uses the word "turnkey" and means it: one referral led to the next, and suddenly they had a chiropractor, a pediatric dentist, a therapist, and a lactation consultant who all talked to each other. 

On watching Carlee become a mom: 
This is where Shane gets quiet and then just — says something beautiful. There's the love you have for your partner, he says. And then there's a completely different kind of love for something you created together. Watching her care for their son, he says, is one of the things he is most grateful for in his life. 

And yes — baby girl is on the way. Baby Castro is 13 weeks along. They're going in with their full team already assembled, a birth plan in progress, and the hard-won knowledge that even when things don't go to plan, you can still have a good experience. 

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Carlee Castro is back for Part 2, and this one goes even deeper. What started as a birth story becomes something bigger: a conversation about postpartum anxiety, the pressure to track and control everything, the power of couples therapy, advocating for yourself in a waiting room with no underwear and a doctor who's already reaching for the prescription pad — and a baby who almost wasn't. 

The clipboard: 
After coming home from the hospital, Carlee was documenting everything — every poop, every pee, every ounce pumped, every ounce consumed, down to the minute. The hospital had handed her a clipboard and told her to write it all down, and she did, because that's what you do when you're in survival mode and someone in authority tells you to. It took Stephanie quietly asking the right questions — and eventually telling her she could put it down — to break the cycle. Not everyone has someone to do that. And that, Carlee says, is exactly how postpartum mood disorders grow unchecked. 

On postpartum care and what's missing: 
The six-week OB visit wasn't asking how she was coping. Nobody was asking about her mental health tools or mechanisms. It wasn't until she found her team — one referral leading to the next — that she started to feel held. Now she says she'll scream it from the rooftops for the rest of her life: find your village before you need it, and if you think you can't afford it, ask — because there are providers who accept Medicaid, take insurance, or can connect you with programs like Healthy Start. 

On couples therapy: 
Carlee and Shane are in couples therapy — not because their marriage is in trouble, but because they became parents at the same time and had completely different experiences of the exact same events. The way Shane experienced her C-section and recovery is different from how she lived it. Therapy gave them language for that. Without it, she says, they would have lived the rest of their lives not knowing how the other person felt. 

The story that stops everything: 
At some point during this pregnancy, Carlee started bleeding. Shane was out of state. She called an ambulance and sat alone in an ER waiting room for hours — no clothes, just a sheet — before a doctor told her it was an inevitable miscarriage and moved to give her medication. But Carlee stopped her. She asked: is there still a heartbeat? The answer was yes — 117 bpm, up from 110 earlier that day. She refused the medication. That baby is now 14 weeks along. 

"Had I not gone through those terrible and gut-wrenching experiences, I would have trusted the doctor because they are a doctor and just gone with it. I wonder how many women out there would benefit from hearing someone talk about this. I think it could be lifesaving, literally." 

And yes — baby number two is on the way. Officially announced on Carlee's birthday, August 9th. They're doing it again, this time with their full team already in place. 

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This episode, Amsy and Stephanie sit down with Carlee Castro for the first of a two-part conversation about her journey through pregnancy loss, a breech baby, a scheduled C-section that didn't go as planned, and the postpartum experience that taught her more about herself than she ever expected. 

Carlee and her husband Shane had a five-year plan. House, stable cars, babies. They moved fast — and by 2023 were trying to start their family. What followed were two pregnancy losses before their son arrived: one at eight weeks with a heartbeat that came in at 75, and one chemical pregnancy that was gone before she even made it to the doctor. By the time her son was born, Carlee had already learned things about grief, advocacy, and resilience that most people don't encounter until much later. 

The pregnancy: 
Beautiful, by her own account — especially with the perspective that comes from loss. She was large from the beginning (her son was nearly 23 inches at birth), rarely sick, and genuinely loved being pregnant. Until 36 weeks, when he was found to be transverse. The scheduled C-section conversation began — and Carlee was angry. 

"I said, I do not want a C-section. That was the very last thing I'd ever want." 

She spent weeks doing handstands in the pool, trying spinning babies techniques, willing him to move. He didn't. And with time, she made peace with it. 

The birth: 
Just as the C-section was scheduled and the plan was in place — she went into labor. What followed was a cascade of unexpected events including pre-eclampsia, magnesium treatment that left her unable to open her eyes without the room spinning, and one of the hardest nights of her life: alone in the hospital, on mag, unable to see, having dropped her call light and her phone, hearing other moms give birth next door, trying to dial an extension she couldn't read to reach a nurse who didn't come for two hours. 

"I would have sat there in silence until my husband got there the next day." 

It was also — unexpectedly — the beginning of learning to ask for help. 

On building a care team: 
One of the most meaningful threads of this episode is Carlee's reflection on what she wishes she'd had in place before birth — therapy, chiropractic care, lactation support — and how finding the Swan Collaborative after the fact changed everything. The difference between Googling at 2am while pumping every two hours, and already having a trusted team who knows who to refer you to. 

Tune in next week for Part 2 — breastfeeding challenges, partnering through the hard stuff. 

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There's a new hospital opening locally, and everyone wants to know: does it have tubs? Does it have showers? Is it actually going to be different? Amsy and Stephanie took that energy and ran with it — building out their full dream hospital wishlist, room by room, from labor and delivery all the way to the doula lounge they desperately need someone to build. 

Some of this is realistic. Some of it is aspirational. All of it is overdue. 

Labor & Delivery rooms: 

• Built-in soaking tubs in every room — large, comfortable, with a place to lean, a seat, and yes, a cup holder 

• Walk-in showers big enough to sit in with a birth ball, with multiple shower heads including a rain shower 

• Adjustable dimmable lighting, twinkle lights, and Galaxy projectors — or full LED projection ceilings showing stars, oceans, or fields of flowers (the technology exists, people) 

• Plus-size friendly beds that are actually long enough, because the current ones are not 

• Yoga mats, birth balls, peanut balls, birth stools, and birthing stools in every single room — not one shared set for the whole unit that may or may not be inflated 

• Mounted labor support bars and rebozo hooks for squatting, hanging, and leaning 

• Wireless fetal monitors that actually work, with a real option for intermittent monitoring for those who want it (continuous fetal monitoring is associated with increased C-section rates) 

• Soundproofed rooms — because hearing someone else's labor or a baby crying when you're just starting out or recovering from a C-section without your baby is genuinely harmful 

Staffing & culture: 

• Midwifery-led units for low-risk laboring people, which is how most uncomplicated births should be managed 

• Spinning Babies trained nurses — or at minimum, some kind of physiological birth training so staff know how to use positioning to get babies into optimal alignment 

C-section experience: 

• Maternal-assisted C-sections available for those who want them — where mom scrubs in, puts on sterile gloves, and delivers her own baby out of her abdomen. Not for everyone, but for those who want it, it can completely transform the experience 

• Clear drapes as an option for those who want to see without being fully hands-on 

• Skin-to-skin as the default, not something you have to ask for 

• The newborn exam done where mom can actually see it — not behind a drape or in a separate room with a window 

• Partners and doulas in the OR the entire time, including during the spinal placement 

Postpartum: 

• Lactation support that doesn't disappear when you go home — in-hospital IBCLCs are great, but what happens at day five when you're on your own? 

• A culture that genuinely treats doulas as collaborative members of the birth team, per ACOG's own recommendations 

For doulas specifically (Amsy's personal wishlist): 

• Badge access so she's not waiting in a security line when someone is crowning 

• A dedicated doula lounge with a bed and a massage chair for those long overnight labors when mom is sleeping but she can't leave 

• A 24-hour cafeteria that delivers, because the current situation of everything closing at 2am and reopening at 6am leaves a significant gap during the exact hours when most babies are born 

• A comfort cart stocked with coping tools — wooden combs, twinkle candles, a Galaxy projector, essential oils — for families who don't have a doula bringing those supplies 

Amsy is drafting the email to hospital administrators. We'll keep you posted. 

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Pitocin might be the most fear-mongered medication on the internet right now. Every corner of Instagram and TikTok seems to have a take that boils down to: never, ever do it. And while some of that concern is valid, Amsy is here to push back on the idea that it's simply bad — because like most things in birth, the truth is a lot more nuanced than a hot take allows for. 

This episode is a thorough, no-nonsense breakdown of what pitocin is, when and why it's used, what the real risks are, and — importantly — what you always have the right to say about it. 

What is pitocin? 
Pitocin is a synthetic form of oxytocin — your body's natural labor hormone, also known as the love hormone. They're chemically identical, but they don't act on the body the same way. The key difference: pitocin doesn'tcross the blood-brain barrier, which means your brain doesn't release the natural surge of endorphins that oxytocin would trigger. No endorphins means no natural pain relief — and no "love hormone high." Instead, you just get the contractions. Strong ones. Which your body may read as pain and fear, triggering stress hormones that work against you. 

When is it used? 

• Augmentation — to strengthen or speed up contractions that are already happening but aren't progressing labor effectively 

• Induction — to create contractions when labor hasn't started on its own 

• Postpartum — to help the uterus clamp down after delivery and prevent postpartum hemorrhage, which is one of the leading causes of maternal death in the US 

Why do pitocin contractions feel worse? 
Two reasons: no endorphins (see above), and the contractions themselves are medically titrated — designed to hit hard and frequent, without the natural ebb and flow your body would create on its own. They tend to peak faster and linger longer than natural contractions, with less recovery time in between. 

What you always have the right to do: 

• Ask why pitocin is being recommended and what the alternatives are 

• Request that it be turned down if contractions feel too intense or too close together 

• Withdraw your consent at any time — even if you agreed to it earlier, even if you signed something 

• Know that if pitocin is turned off rather than down, it typically has to be restarted from the lowest dose, which can prolong the process — that's useful information when making the decision 

On postpartum pitocin: 
This one surprises a lot of people. Most hospitals around here will give pitocin after delivery as a standard practice to help prevent postpartum hemorrhage. You can ask questions, and you can decline — but be prepared for a conversation, especially if any bleeding is occurring. It's worth knowing the difference between active management (pitocin, fundal massage, cord traction) and expectant management, and asking your provider what their standard practice is postpartum. 

The bottom line: Pitocin is a tool. A useful one, in the right circumstances. The goal isn't to avoid it at all costs — it's to understand it well enough to make an informed decision, ask good questions, and know that you have a say in every step. 

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We're doing something a little different for Episode 30. Amsy and Stephanie handed the microphone to their kids — ranging from age 5 to 12 — and let them ask every question they've ever had about babies, birth, and what their moms actually do for a living. The result is exactly as chaotic, adorable, and surprisingly insightful as you'd expect. 

Questions from the kids, answered by the experts: 

• "How long does it take to make a baby?" — Hayes, age 7, probably meant how long does it take to grow one. The answer: longer than nine months when you actually count it all up, and significantly underappreciated. 

• "Does it hurt to have a baby come out of your belly?" — A surprisingly nuanced answer about C-sections, recovery, and yes, there is an epidural for that. 

• "Where does milk come from?" — Stephanie breaks it down in the most kid-friendly way possible: food becomes tiny Legos in your blood, the breast tissue collects them, builds them into the perfect food for a baby, and delivers it when the baby latches or mom pumps. Genuinely a great explanation for any age. 

• "Does it hurt to feed a baby?" — Paige, age 5 asks the very practical question! It's not supposed to. And if it's anything more than chapped lips, that's when you call a lactation consultant. 

• "How many times do you have to change a diaper?" — Too many. But in the first week, 5–6 wet diapers and 3–5 poopy diapers a day is a good sign that feeding is going well. 

• "How do you become a doula?" — Reese, age 12 (who had to be convinced this was cool enough to participate), asked the question that launched a genuine answer about training, certification, and what the path actually looks like. 

• "How long do you stay in the hospital?" — Depends on the birth, but they will eventually kick you out. 

• "How do people pee in the hospital?" — Micah, age 6, needed to know. The answer about whether nurses actually have time to pee sparked its own conversation. 

• "What is the potential for a miracle?" — Franklin, age 9, went deep. We don't have a transcript of the full answer but we respect the question enormously. 

This one is a keeper. Share it with a kid in your life who's been asking questions you're not sure how to answer — or just listen for the pure joy of it. 

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Florida parents, this one is for you — but honestly, wherever you live and whatever weather you're bracing for, this episode applies. Amsy and Stephanie are back together this week to talk about something nobody really thinks through until they're in the middle of it: what happens to your birth plan, your feeding journey, and your newborn when a storm rolls through? 

The answer is: a lot can go sideways. So let's talk about it now, while you still have power. 

Feeding during a storm: 

• If you're breastfeeding, the good news is you are a self-contained feeding unit — no power, no equipment, no problem. But stress and dehydration affect supply, so staying hydrated and fed matters more than ever 

• For pumping parents, power outages are a real logistical challenge — car adapters are an option, but that plan falls apart fast when gas runs low. A manual pump as a backup is worth having 

• Formula prep requires clean water, which requires power to boil — and bleach, which you need to have stocked before the storm, not after 

• Important and not widely known: do not give babies under 6 months plain water, even in the heat. Breast milk and formula already contain the hydration babies need, and water can actually be dangerous for young infants 

• If you have a freezer full of pumped milk — it can stay frozen longer than you think if the freezer stays closed. Ice crystals present? Still fine to use 

Birth plans and storms: 

This is where it gets real. If you are due during hurricane season, you need a backup plan for your backup plan: 

• Roads may be impassable — EMS doesn't run during active hurricanes, and neither can your doula 

• Your chosen hospital an hour away may be in the storm's direct path — know where the closest safe option is 

• Home birth families need to know: if roads are unsafe, your midwife may not be able to reach you either 

• If you're in early labor as a storm approaches, talk to your provider about whether going in sooner makes sense rather than waiting 

If you end up delivering at home in an emergency: 

Amsy shares an emergency birth guide from Orlando midwife Jennie Joseph — and it's worth having saved before you ever need it. Key points: 

• First, make sure it's actually labor — drink water, time contractions, don't panic 
• Find a safe, quiet, private space 
• Do not cut or tie the umbilical cord — leave it intact, the placenta can follow naturally, and a professional can cut it later with proper equipment 
• Skin to skin immediately, keep baby warm, encourage breastfeeding to help maintain a firm uterus.
• If baby isn't breathing, clear mucus from nose and mouth and give gentle rescue breaths

Links to Hand Expression Techniques: https://www.mayabolman.com/videos/v/handexpression

Link to Jennie Joseph's Giving Birth In An Emergency Guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRPB5LRwVteL4x7amslD4WY9haRAqemoI5M91YaNhQe5PaHrT9T3nJCCRg59ecYTCzNyA70z0yYMggp/pub?urp=gmail_link

Link to CDC Safe Guards for Milk: https://www.cdc.gov/breastfeeding/php/guidelines-recommendations/feeding-your-child-safely-during-a-disaster.html

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Amsy is joined by Dr. Kristen Kleponis, a pelvic floor physical therapist, co-owner of Wonderfully Made PT, and co-founder of Swann Collaborative. If you caught Dr. Arielle's episode a few weeks back, you already know this practice — and this conversation is the perfect companion to that one. 

Here's the thing about pelvic floor PT: most people either don't know it exists, think it's just for people who pee when they sneeze, or assume the whole appointment is immediately an internal exam and opt out before they even begin. Dr. Kristen is here to set the record straight. 

What actually happens at a pelvic floor PT appointment: 
It doesn't start where you think it starts. Before anything internal happens, Dr. Kristen is looking at posture, movement, body awareness — things most of us have never thought about in relation to our pelvic floor. The internal assessment is part of it, yes, but it's a thorough, whole-body approach, not something to be afraid of. 

Who should go: 
Everyone. Pregnant? Go. Postpartum? Go. Think you're fine? Go anyway. The pelvic floor is involved in pushing a baby out, recovering from birth, returning to exercise, and about a thousand other things that affect daily life — and most people don't think to address it until symptoms are hard to ignore. 

Kegels are not always the answer: 
One of the most important things in this episode — a tight pelvic floor is not a strong pelvic floor. If you're struggling to push a baby out, the last thing you need is a floor you've been over-tightening for months. Sometimes the work is actually about learning to release and relax, not squeeze harder. 

On prolapse: 
Something is falling out of your vagina and you think you need surgery immediately? Probably not. Pelvic floor PT is often the first and most effective line of treatment for prolapse — and for many people, it resolves or significantly improves symptoms without ever needing an operating room. 

On insurance — an honest conversation: 
Dr. Kristen and the Wonderfully Made team are out-of-network, and they explain why: insurance reimbursement models push providers toward shorter appointments, higher patient loads, and in some cases, having interns do the actual hands-on work while a doctor "oversees." By the time you've paid 8–10 insurance copays at a clinic like that, you could have seen a specialist for fewer, more effective visits. It's a broken system — and it affects every corner of perinatal care, not just PT. 

Check out the podcast Dr. Kristen recommended: Birth Healing Summitt Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/birth-healing-summit-podcast/id1669091905 
https://open.spotify.com/show/4j0uOT3e3p7q4sUYShpkZb?si=045bfcfec9c94477 

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