In this episode of Refiner’s Fire, Steven sits down with Matt Ingold of Metanoia Catholic to explore how young Catholic professionals can move beyond transactional networking and build authentic human connection.Matt shares practical insights from his conference workshop, including how to notice “mind drama,” take thoughts captive, and shift the spotlight away from self-consciousness and toward the person in front of you. He also explains why curiosity is essential for connection, how presumption can damage relationships and team dynamics, and why true professional growth must begin with interior transformation.Rooted in Catholic anthropology, Scripture, and the wisdom of St. John Paul II and St. Thomas Aquinas, this conversation invites young professionals to see networking, leadership, and workplace relationships as opportunities for encounter, formation, and deeper communion with Christ.