In this episode of Wait, I’m Black?!, Michael sits in conversation with Maurice Mcleod – CEO of Olmec, Councillor, social commentator, and media executive.

Growing up in the UK, Maurice came to recognise something many people never have to think about: the constant awareness of being seen as Black before being seen simply as a human being.

Together, they explore what it means to carry that awareness through everyday life, the rare moments when it falls away, and the profound freedom of being seen as a human being first.

This is a conversation about identity, belonging, and the subtle ways racialisation shapes not only how others see us, but how we come to see ourselves and move through the world.

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