"Presence invites presence when there is no resistance, no ownership of ideas, experiences or things, no worrying ... just the ease of life when we meet without wanting things to be otherwise." Ami Chen interviews Sandra Gonzalez, author of these words, and student of the late spiritual "teacher" & author Toni Packer--who spoke powerfully of the simple essence or presence of Life, beyond all teachers and teachings. There is the "role of the teacher" and then there is That which is beyond all teachers & teachings.

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