In this episode, Dr. Robyn McKay sits down with psychotherapist and coach Lesley Martin to explore what happens when clinicians who are also spiritually gifted stop splitting themselves in two — and begin integrating their intuitive intelligence directly into their therapeutic practice.

This episode explores:

• Why spiritually gifted therapists are trained to leave their gifts at the door

• The real cost of running separate therapy and coaching practices

• How burnout during the pandemic catalyzed a deeper professional evolution

• Honoring clients' spiritual worldviews while suppressing your own

• What the neuroscience of intuition reveals about clinical decision-making

• How to ethically and responsibly bring spiritual modalities into psychotherapy

• Why people are inherently whole — and what it means to help them access that

For those of us who are credentialed and spiritually awake, the question has never been whether these gifts belong in the room — it's how to bring them forward with integrity, competency, and care. This conversation is for every clinician, coach, and healer who has ever felt the cost of keeping themselves divided.

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Lesley Martín, MA, LMHC, NCC, CLC, is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor, Certified Life Coach, and trauma-informed practitioner who helps high achievers move beyond fear, doubt, and insecurity to create more authentic, fulfilling lives. With over 15 years of experience in holistic psychotherapy, she specializes in trauma healing, EMDR, and integrative approaches that support lasting transformation. Through her coaching work, Lesley guides clients in building self-confidence, expanding their potential, and stepping into a more empowered version of themselves.

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-martin-lmhc-conscious-holistic-guide-and-therapist-3118a016/ 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lesleyamymartin/ 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/Lesley-Martin-Coaching/100075420665293/#

Robyn McKay, PhD, is an award-winning therapist and psychospiritual advisor who teaches and leads at the intersection of psychology × spirituality × energetics. With deep roots in clinical psychology and a lifetime of living at the crossroads of intuition and credentials, she is a rare bridge between science and soul, credentials and codes, strategy and spirit.

Early in her career, Robyn served as a university psychologist before stepping into her broader calling as a guide for high performers, creatives, and seekers. She addresses a wide spectrum of human experience — healing trauma, anxiety, depression, mood disorders, and ADHD in women; accessing spiritual gifts; and navigating existential crossroads.

Having sold $2.5M+ in retreats and private intensives, Robyn is now architecting an entirely new category of retreats: expert-led, trauma-informed, miracle-level. She helps credentialed, neurodivergent, and spiritually awake women leaders design transformational retreats that carry depth, meaning, and lasting impact.

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