In this episode, Jordan and Davina interview Caitlin Williams, who is dedicated to reproductive justice and preventing maternal deaths. They discuss the intersection of public policy, implementation science, and human rights in Caitlin's work. Caitlin emphasizes the importance of servant leadership and leading with integrity. She also addresses the frustrations of dealing with preventable issues and the need for persistence and collaboration in creating change. The conversation with Maxi and Millie focused on their personal stories and how those stories shape their leadership values. Maxi emphasized the importance of understanding complexity and addressing root causes in order to create sustainable change. Millie expressed her desire to become a leader through competence and knowledge, and to shine a light on great leaders who have a grand vision for the world. The conversation highlighted the thoughtful and insightful perspectives of Maxi and Millie, as well as their commitment to tackling big issues and asking important questions.