Podcast host Rosemary Armao and opinion writer Jay Jaynowitz recently talked with an audience in Vermont about whether the US might follow the lead of Hungary in voting out an authoritarian-leaning leader, and how best to protest against that leader while he was still in power. Are we framing our public discourse in the right way, the two ask. Are we even asking the right questions about what our leaders should be doing. You can hear the whole discussion on the podcast Beyond the Brink and Fighting Back.