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In this deep-dive conversation, Matt Giggs is joined by Mark Burgess, CEO of Iceberg Digital, to discuss why the traditional estate agency model is fundamentally broken. Mark reveals a sobering reality: estate agency has exceeded the capacity of what is possible for a human being within the current team structures.
As technology continues to evolve, many agents feel they are working harder than ever but remain stuck in a loop of "unfinished work". This episode explores the difference between a CRM and a true Operating System, the myth of "instant AI results," and the catastrophic risk facing agencies that fail to redefine their purpose by 2029.
Key Takeaways
The Systemic Failure: The problem in modern agency isn't the people; it's a system where revenue per employee is too low to sustain growth. Most agents "accidentally scale the profit out of the business" by adding headcount to handle administration that doesn't generate new revenue.
The "Deflation" Concept: In most industries, technology causes deflation (making things cheaper and easier over time). In estate agency, we’ve added tool after tool on top of existing models, creating an overload of "unfinished work" instead of saving time.
CRM vs. Operating System: A CRM is essentially a "diary" that tells you what happened in the past. A true AI Operating System looks at the entire business ecosystem to decide what you should do next, prioritising high-value human interactions over manual tasks.
Finding Your Purpose: Most agencies fail to define their purpose beyond "selling houses". Mark argues that identifying who you specifically serve and what problems you solve is the only way to build a scalable business that isn't middle-of-the-road.
The 2029 Ultimatum: Mark issues a stark prediction: by 2029, agencies that do not adopt a centralized, data-driven ecosystem will simply cease to exist because they won't be able to keep up with the efficiency of automated competitors.
Systemise to Humanise: The goal of AI is not to replace the best estate agents, but to replace below-average behaviors and "heavy lifting". This allows humans to focus on the "exceptional" parts of the job—conversations and problem-solving.
Time stamps
01:00 – Why the current estate agency system is fundamentally broken.
03:16 – Understanding technology-driven deflation and why agency missed the curve.
06:18 – The "Unfinished Work" problem: Why tools created more work than they saved.
12:16 – The Revenue-Per-Employee trap: How hiring more staff can kill your profit.
24:37 – Where to start: Defining your company’s purpose before buying more tech.
39:38 – The technical difference between a CRM and an Operating System.
51:06 – Meet "Fraser Estates": A real-world demo of how an AI operating system guides a human agent.
01:15:59 – Cutting through the "AI Bullshit": Why you need an ecosystem, not just tools.
01:21:43 – Reflecting on Mark's 2015 predictions: Where the industry has gone in 10 years.
01:26:02 – The 2029 Prediction: Why most current models will be obsolete in three years.
Resources Mentioned
Iceberg Digital: The team behind Life Cycle and the new AI Operating System.
7-11-4 Principle: Google's research on building trust through multiple touchpoints.
Books by Mark Burgess: Where Did My Industry Go? (2015) and The Estate Agency Revolution (2018).
Social Links
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@mattgiggs
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/giggsmatt/?hl=en
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@giggsmatt
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgiggs/
Mark Burgess Links
https://iceberg-digital.co.uk/
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/mark-burgess-ba905419
This podcast is distriubted by Disruptive Media
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By Matt GiggsIn this deep-dive conversation, Matt Giggs is joined by Mark Burgess, CEO of Iceberg Digital, to discuss why the traditional estate agency model is fundamentally broken. Mark reveals a sobering reality: estate agency has exceeded the capacity of what is possible for a human being within the current team structures.
As technology continues to evolve, many agents feel they are working harder than ever but remain stuck in a loop of "unfinished work". This episode explores the difference between a CRM and a true Operating System, the myth of "instant AI results," and the catastrophic risk facing agencies that fail to redefine their purpose by 2029.
Key Takeaways
The Systemic Failure: The problem in modern agency isn't the people; it's a system where revenue per employee is too low to sustain growth. Most agents "accidentally scale the profit out of the business" by adding headcount to handle administration that doesn't generate new revenue.
The "Deflation" Concept: In most industries, technology causes deflation (making things cheaper and easier over time). In estate agency, we’ve added tool after tool on top of existing models, creating an overload of "unfinished work" instead of saving time.
CRM vs. Operating System: A CRM is essentially a "diary" that tells you what happened in the past. A true AI Operating System looks at the entire business ecosystem to decide what you should do next, prioritising high-value human interactions over manual tasks.
Finding Your Purpose: Most agencies fail to define their purpose beyond "selling houses". Mark argues that identifying who you specifically serve and what problems you solve is the only way to build a scalable business that isn't middle-of-the-road.
The 2029 Ultimatum: Mark issues a stark prediction: by 2029, agencies that do not adopt a centralized, data-driven ecosystem will simply cease to exist because they won't be able to keep up with the efficiency of automated competitors.
Systemise to Humanise: The goal of AI is not to replace the best estate agents, but to replace below-average behaviors and "heavy lifting". This allows humans to focus on the "exceptional" parts of the job—conversations and problem-solving.
Time stamps
01:00 – Why the current estate agency system is fundamentally broken.
03:16 – Understanding technology-driven deflation and why agency missed the curve.
06:18 – The "Unfinished Work" problem: Why tools created more work than they saved.
12:16 – The Revenue-Per-Employee trap: How hiring more staff can kill your profit.
24:37 – Where to start: Defining your company’s purpose before buying more tech.
39:38 – The technical difference between a CRM and an Operating System.
51:06 – Meet "Fraser Estates": A real-world demo of how an AI operating system guides a human agent.
01:15:59 – Cutting through the "AI Bullshit": Why you need an ecosystem, not just tools.
01:21:43 – Reflecting on Mark's 2015 predictions: Where the industry has gone in 10 years.
01:26:02 – The 2029 Prediction: Why most current models will be obsolete in three years.
Resources Mentioned
Iceberg Digital: The team behind Life Cycle and the new AI Operating System.
7-11-4 Principle: Google's research on building trust through multiple touchpoints.
Books by Mark Burgess: Where Did My Industry Go? (2015) and The Estate Agency Revolution (2018).
Social Links
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@mattgiggs
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/giggsmatt/?hl=en
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@giggsmatt
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgiggs/
Mark Burgess Links
https://iceberg-digital.co.uk/
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/mark-burgess-ba905419
This podcast is distriubted by Disruptive Media