In this conversation, Ursula and Anne Marie sit down with Mark Stolow, Founding Director of People Before Patients, to explore what it truly means to humanize healthcare. 

 Drawing from early caregiving experiences and over two decades in public health, Mark challenges the industrial logic shaping today’s system and offers new metaphors—like forests, ecologies, and “the dome”—to help us reimagine care in a more relational, alive, and humane way. 

He also introduces the practice of asking “more beautiful questions,” examines the difference between cold and warm data, and shares how slowing down might be the most urgent step toward redesigning healthcare for the future. 

Why You Should Listen 

• You’ll rethink the phrase “humanizing healthcare”—and why it reveals how far we’ve drifted from care’s original purpose. 
• Mark offers powerful metaphors (forest ecology, The Truman Show dome, bonsai) that reframe how we understand illness, suffering, and systems. 
• You’ll learn why data alone can’t capture a person’s lived experience, and why healthcare must balance cold metrics with warm context. 
• This episode gives clinicians, patients, caregivers, and leaders a new lens for imagining what healthcare could become if we widen the frame. 
• It invites us to ask better, more beautiful questions—the kind that open new pathways instead of repeating old answers. 

Episode Highlights (Timestamps) 

00:00 – Welcome to Amplify 
Ursula, Brent, and Anne Marie introduce the episode and its focus on perspectives that can reshape healthcare’s future. 

00:34 – Meet Mark Stolow
Mark is introduced as a thought explorer and founding director of People Before Patients, with more than 20 years in the human development and health space. 

01:04 – Mark’s origin story 
How caring for his mother during severe bipolar episodes shaped his lifelong interest in human suffering, psychology, and healing. 

02:28 – Eastern philosophies and “the wisdom of anxiety” 
Mark shares how Buddhist and Indian schools of thought influenced his academic and personal exploration of the mind. 

04:00 – What does “humanizing healthcare” really mean? 
Why the phrase surprises Mark, and what it reveals about how far we’ve drifted from a human-centered understanding of care. 

05:45 – A family carrying the weight 
Mark reflects on growing up in a household affected by mental illness and what he wishes the family had understood earlier. 

07:54 – Healthcare professionals are longing for humanness too 
The increasing dissatisfaction and yearning for meaning among clinicians. 

08:56 – The forest metaphor: Healthcare as a living ecology 
How interconnected systems like forests can teach us more about care than industrial models. 

11:00 – What’s getting in the way? The limits of industrial thinking 
Why healthcare’s “input-output” mindset fails to capture the complexity of human lives and chronic illness. 

12:52 – Expanding the edges of illness 
Cancer isn’t only what shows up on scans—Mark describes its ripple effects across relationships, identity, and daily life. 

13:45 – Discreet solutions to complex problems 
Why industrial solutions are often partial—and what’s missing. 

14:38 – A better metaphor: ecological thinking 
Shifting from centers and hierarchies to interdependence and mutuality. 

16:00 – Ask a more beautiful question 
What makes a question “beautiful,” why it requires patience, and how it helps us understand pro