On this day when we wait for election results in the US, and enter a new national lockdown in the UK, it's my pleasure to offer you a podcast episode that has nothing to do with either of those things.

Chatting to Phoebe Morgan was an absolute pleasure. In this conversation we discuss her latest psychological thriller, The Babysitter, including her inspirations, her writing schedule, and how fun it is to create unlikeable characters.

You can learn more about Phoebe on her website, connect with her via Instagram and twitter, and buy her book here.