Dr Koontz and Rev Fisk open with a short discussion of video games simulating life without the meaning and wasting time that could be spent on real things, and then continue the discussion of the Spanish Civil War, talking about the interference of outside forces and the importance of creating ties with people in other places. Finally, they talk about the experience of Eric Blair (better known as George Orwell) in the Spanish Civil War and his books written not against the left, but against authoritarianism.