Dr Adam Koontz and Col Willie Grills talk about the reasons for growth and decline of church bodies in America, whether the LCMS is sabotaging itself by its practices, and how the way churches are constituted affects what they do.

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Dr Koontz - Redeemer Lutheran Church

Pr. Willie Grills - Zion Lutheran Church

Music thanks to Verny