In this compelling first part of our conversation with Mark Travers of Turning Hearts Ministries, we dive deep into why biblical counseling is not just an alternative—but a necessary return—for a church adrift in the therapeutic age.

Mark, a seasoned elder and biblical counselor, joins Pastor Brandon Scoggins and co-host Nick Carter to unpack the historical roots, theological foundations, and critical distinctions between biblical counseling, secular psychology, and even much of what is called "Christian counseling" today.

We explore how the sufficiency of Scripture applies to real-life emotional and spiritual struggles, why many believers are entrusting their souls to therapists instead of shepherds, and what it means to counsel with both truth and power from God's Word.

This episode lays the groundwork for reclaiming the church’s role in soul care, challenging the therapeutic mindset with biblical clarity, and encouraging everyday Christians to see counseling as an extension of discipleship—not a permanent diagnosis.

Topics Covered:

Why the modern counseling industry replaced the church

The rise of “therapeutic priesthoods”

Jay Adams, nouthetic counseling, and the return to Scripture

Dangers of integrationist counseling

Diagnosing sin biblically vs. labeling with disorders

Physical concerns vs. spiritual issues: how to discern

Power of God’s Word to transform minds and hearts

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Part 2 coming soon: How biblical counseling works in the local church, real-life stories, and Mark’s personal testimony.