Professor Matt Godshall joins the show to explore what true masculinity looks like. This episode expands on our previous session toxic masculinity.

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Everyone. Welcome to Jessup think I'm your host Mark Moore

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and your co host Rex gurney.

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Now on the show Rex. We have Dr. Matthew Godshall joining us again, he is our esteemed New Testament and Greek.

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Professor, he has the office right across from you. He does Yeah, right across the way. And we're actually on today's show, we're going to do a follow up to our show on masculinity that we did with Dr. Erin Ambrose. And on that one, we were looking at toxic masculinity. In today's episode, we're going to look at okay, what then what is a true biblical view of masculinity? Something I need to know myself?

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Man, well, thank you so much for coming back on the show. A true friend of the show. Wow. Got that true friend. Title. True friend. Yeah, that's it. We have distinctions of the titles that go anywhere from true friend. Excellent. Yeah. I don't know very best friend.

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Show.

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T shirt. But excited to have you on the show to kind of what kind of wanted with this episode two, do a follow up. We did one this season. With Dr. Erin Ambrose, you know, our esteemed psychology professor Yes. On and it ended up being mostly about toxic masculinity. And as we were looking at that, we even said it during the show, like, wow, this is just the tip of the iceberg. We could go deeper into, into all of this, and particularly, you know, we could explore this what we want to do today, okay, we kind of looked at what, maybe masculinity is not right, or the negative side of how it's been portrayed, and maybe how it's been portrayed in culture, but also in church.

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We can look at, okay, what does then biblical masculinity look like? Right, you know, and, and we're gonna get into the nuances of that, because,

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yeah, I don't want to get ahead of myself. Because for me, it's I think there's a lot of caveats, and trying to understand what is what our calls from God that are for everyone, both men and women, you know, and then to try to get to okay, what is, is there anything particular for men, you know, so we'll, we'll get to that. But I think with, you know, as Matthew and I were kind of talking about this, and this could be a good review of our session with with Erin in some ways, what we were doing there is what is called apophatic. Theology, right, or negative theology. And I've always found that helpful, because sometimes you do learn about something by learning what it's not, I actually do that in Christian perspective, I bring a bunch of

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three by five cards, and most students unless they've taken you guys have never actually heard of that way of doing theology. Right? Yeah. And so I hand out the cards, and it's like, so let's, let's just say what God is not. And a lot of times students have a hard time. Yeah, with that, but it gets to be really interesting discussion. Yeah. Oh, that's good. I'm gonna steal that steal. It's actually it's actually a good health. Oh, you can find out where people stand. I've actually had a student here say God is not real. Right. Right now to know, okay, yeah, you're like, all right. And I don't know who it is. But at least I know, there's one person in here that Yeah, yeah, it is helpful to kind of know, like, hey, how, how can I express and talk about God in this class?

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And, and speak to everyone in the class? Yeah, when you get in, you're trying to break down the essence of divinity. And that's what apophatic theology is, kind of about recognizing there's a limit to our ability to comprehend God and speak fully about who God is as as God is, in his essence is nature. And so speaking of God is infinite, or uncreated or immortal are kind of classic, some of the classic ways that theologians have have talked about God and that so it is hel