This episode features the second of Dr. David Hanscom’s two interviews with Deb Gray PhD, a licensed clinical social worker and owner of a group of substance abuse / mental health clinics, Life by Design.  She discusses how she applied the DOC principles to develop her own personal approach to treating chronic pain. In addition to the recommendations in Back in Control, she also used Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing (EMDR) therapy, which she now uses with her clients.  Visit: https://backincontrol.com  for more information.

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