In a deep dive into the beginning stages of the 2024 election, Fernando talks with Sarah Longwell about the candidates and their prospects, and what voters are thinking. They discuss the increasingly aggressive battle between Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, and the lack of voter excitement for other candidates. They also examine Democratic prospects, identifying some big challenges ahead for the president’s re-election campaign. Join us for a fun, wide-ranging conversation about the emerging contours of next year’s pivotal election.

Sarah Longwell is the publisher of The Bulwark, founding director of Defending Democracy Together, and the host of hit The Focus Group Podcast.