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Have we seen the end of 80 years of increasing global prosperity and relative peace? The global institutions that kept the world functioning since the end of World War Two have proved spectacularly unable to keep the world moving in a positive direction in the past couple of years. Economist Eswar Prasad, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a professor at Cornell University, says ina new bookof the same name, that we’ve entered the “Doom Loop” and we’ll have to reinvent the world to survive it. We asked him if the glass might be half full, after all.
BBTW Editor Peter S. Green: So what is the Doom Loop?Eswar Prasad:Economics, domestic politics, and geopolitics are stuck in a negative feedback loop and bringing out the worst in each other. We’re at a point right now where these three have become very closely intertwined in a way that you cannot pull them apart, so each ends up reinforcing the other in a negative way. Globalization was seen as a positive-sum game where everybody could benefit from freer trade. It would be a balancing force that offset the zero-sum game of geopolitics. It did improve GDP across the world, especially in emerging markets and developing countries. The problem is that the benefits were not evenly shared, either within countries or among countries. What was supposed to be a force for good has ended up infecting domestic politics, and it’s also ended up infecting geopolitics. And of course, the effects on domestic politics have had a further negative effect on geopolitics. So it all turns into a sort of vicious spiral, where we are fast-moving toward a world where instability becomes the norm.
So globalization is to blame for the current world disorder?In many democratic countries, the benefits of globalization were not evenly shared, and there wasn’t a good social safety net in place to help those left out. They feel left out not just because they lost their jobs in the process of transition, but they feel that opportunities to climb back up the economic ladder are gone. And second is the feeling that the whole democratic process has been captured by the economic and political elites, so the elites get the benefits of globalization. That has certainly opened very fertile ground for false populists, who claim to have the interests of the common man at heart, to play to the politics of resentment, blaming China or foreign companies or immigrants as the source of a country’s economic woes, rather than accounting for factors like technology, which are affecting everybody. And second, government policies are not serving those at the lower end of the economic ladder well.
So the old rules are dead. What now?One potential force of stability amid all this chaos could be if everybody agrees upon a common set of rules of the game, and this is particularly true in the international sphere. Now, the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, the IMF, this entire group of organizations is losing legitimacy from both sides. Advanced countries like the United States feel that these organizations have been co-opted by the smaller emerging market countries and that some of them, especially China, are getting a free pass. The emerging market economies, especially China, but others as well, feel that these organizations have been captured by the advanced economies, especially when you think about places like the IMF and the World Bank, where voting rights are distributed according to old economic power rather than new economic power. This has cost these institutions their legitimacy and their credibility. At the same time, emerging market countries led by China are setting up their own institutions, like the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. So rather than having cohesion through a common set of rules, we’re getting fragmentation of the rules of the game.
So where does this go? What’s the next phase for all of this?The dynamics of the doom loop are such that rather than moving towards a world of stability, we are stuck with instability being the norm for some time, with these two superpowers, neither of whom is seen as reliable or trustworthy, and we have the other middle power sort of bouncing back and forth. So it’s going to be a very unstable world.
That’s pretty gloomy. Is there any hope?It will take a lot of work. And it will not be happening anytime soon. It will take citizens getting much more engaged, not just as citizens of our countries looking at our short-term interests, but as citizens of our communities and of the world, recognizing that really shared prosperity is the only way all of us can do better. Second, it will take leaders: Community, business, national leaders who can help us see beyond our short-term interests and prejudices. And third, it will take better institutions, good democratic institutions, including the rule of law, an independent central bank, and a system of checks and balances at the domestic level.
(This interview has been condensed and edited for clarity)
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By Have we seen the end of 80 years of increasing global prosperity and relative peace? The global institutions that kept the world functioning since the end of World War Two have proved spectacularly unable to keep the world moving in a positive direction in the past couple of years. Economist Eswar Prasad, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a professor at Cornell University, says ina new bookof the same name, that we’ve entered the “Doom Loop” and we’ll have to reinvent the world to survive it. We asked him if the glass might be half full, after all.
BBTW Editor Peter S. Green: So what is the Doom Loop?Eswar Prasad:Economics, domestic politics, and geopolitics are stuck in a negative feedback loop and bringing out the worst in each other. We’re at a point right now where these three have become very closely intertwined in a way that you cannot pull them apart, so each ends up reinforcing the other in a negative way. Globalization was seen as a positive-sum game where everybody could benefit from freer trade. It would be a balancing force that offset the zero-sum game of geopolitics. It did improve GDP across the world, especially in emerging markets and developing countries. The problem is that the benefits were not evenly shared, either within countries or among countries. What was supposed to be a force for good has ended up infecting domestic politics, and it’s also ended up infecting geopolitics. And of course, the effects on domestic politics have had a further negative effect on geopolitics. So it all turns into a sort of vicious spiral, where we are fast-moving toward a world where instability becomes the norm.
So globalization is to blame for the current world disorder?In many democratic countries, the benefits of globalization were not evenly shared, and there wasn’t a good social safety net in place to help those left out. They feel left out not just because they lost their jobs in the process of transition, but they feel that opportunities to climb back up the economic ladder are gone. And second is the feeling that the whole democratic process has been captured by the economic and political elites, so the elites get the benefits of globalization. That has certainly opened very fertile ground for false populists, who claim to have the interests of the common man at heart, to play to the politics of resentment, blaming China or foreign companies or immigrants as the source of a country’s economic woes, rather than accounting for factors like technology, which are affecting everybody. And second, government policies are not serving those at the lower end of the economic ladder well.
So the old rules are dead. What now?One potential force of stability amid all this chaos could be if everybody agrees upon a common set of rules of the game, and this is particularly true in the international sphere. Now, the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, the IMF, this entire group of organizations is losing legitimacy from both sides. Advanced countries like the United States feel that these organizations have been co-opted by the smaller emerging market countries and that some of them, especially China, are getting a free pass. The emerging market economies, especially China, but others as well, feel that these organizations have been captured by the advanced economies, especially when you think about places like the IMF and the World Bank, where voting rights are distributed according to old economic power rather than new economic power. This has cost these institutions their legitimacy and their credibility. At the same time, emerging market countries led by China are setting up their own institutions, like the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. So rather than having cohesion through a common set of rules, we’re getting fragmentation of the rules of the game.
So where does this go? What’s the next phase for all of this?The dynamics of the doom loop are such that rather than moving towards a world of stability, we are stuck with instability being the norm for some time, with these two superpowers, neither of whom is seen as reliable or trustworthy, and we have the other middle power sort of bouncing back and forth. So it’s going to be a very unstable world.
That’s pretty gloomy. Is there any hope?It will take a lot of work. And it will not be happening anytime soon. It will take citizens getting much more engaged, not just as citizens of our countries looking at our short-term interests, but as citizens of our communities and of the world, recognizing that really shared prosperity is the only way all of us can do better. Second, it will take leaders: Community, business, national leaders who can help us see beyond our short-term interests and prejudices. And third, it will take better institutions, good democratic institutions, including the rule of law, an independent central bank, and a system of checks and balances at the domestic level.
(This interview has been condensed and edited for clarity)
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Elon’s WorldYou’re clearly into smart people talking about even smarter things. Lucky for you, that’s literally our whole deal atCheddar. We interview the brightest minds in business, finance, and tech. If you’d like more in-depth analysis from interesting people, lcheck out ourwhere to watchpage and turn us on 24/7! Your wallet will thank you and so, more importantly, will your mind. But also your wallet. Remember that.