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On Tuesday, tech firm Oracle$ORCL ( ▼ 6.02% ) announced one of the most transformative contracts in modern business history. OpenAI will pay Oracle $300 billion over five years to host AI applications on Oracle’s servers. The news sent Oracle shares up as much as 43%, and secured OpenAI’s ability to offer its large language models to clients. It’s also put Oracle founder and CEO Larry Ellison, now 81, just ahead of Elon Musk as the world’s richest man, according to Bloomberg. BBTW editor Peter Green sat down with AI consultant Lee Gaul, founder of Long Horizon AI Consulting, to understand the transaction.
BBTW: What just happened?Lee Gaul: Oracle! Like Obi-Wan Kenobi, this is a name I haven’t heard in years. But it makes a lot of sense: Companies are scrambling for what they call “more compute”, which means more servers on which to do their calculations. There are two competing ideas around the amount of compute that AI needs. Most commonly, when people hear about computers, they think of training these models. But it’s serving that AI that really is the name of the game.And it’s a real bottleneck for a lot of companies. There’s a limited number of real players out there, and the big three, Azure [Microsoft] $MSFT, Google Cloud $GOOG, and Amazon $AMZN Web Services, only have so much capacity.
So who is selling what to whom?OpenAI is buying, or essentially renting space in the Oracle cloud to run their AI models. So, when you make a call to ChatGPT, that is happening in the cloud on Azure.And now it’ll also happen with Oracle.OpenAI also uses Google, because they have to have that serving of that whole exchange with their chatbots on a massive cloud infrastructure. And that’s why it’s such a smart move for Oracle to get those big investments.
How does this affect OpenAI’s relationship with Microsoft?OpenAI uses the Azure cloud to train, to provide inference, or serve the product to their end users. They’ve been going to Google and now they’re going to Oracle, as well.
Will Oracle have to buy lots of Nvidia chips to build data centers, or is this going to use existing capacity?They’ve already got this capacity in place and with plans to continue to scale out the cloud infrastructure that they have. They’ve been shopping their capacity around and saying, look, we can support this amount and this capacity of cloud infrastructure and advanced AI processing capabilities today.They’re by no means building this up from scratch.
How long will this last?That’s the problem.The chips are only state-of-the-art for a year or so.So the data centers all have to be continually buying the most recent state-of-the-art chips.
Is this a new direction for Oracle? Is it saving them from extinction?I don’t think it’s in any way saving them from anything.Oracle is still ubiquitous and databases basically all run on Oracle, so that means that they’ve been quietly part of everyone’s tech stack in the enterprise for forever.Oracle had been overlooked as anything but a necessary evil. Now, they are able to say, hey, look, we have tons of advanced computing that we are ready to provide to all the cutting-edge AI systems out there. It’s all over Twitter and it’s all over the news, it’s been good for their brand.
This interview has been edited and condensed for brevity and clarity.
—Peter S. Green
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By On Tuesday, tech firm Oracle$ORCL ( ▼ 6.02% ) announced one of the most transformative contracts in modern business history. OpenAI will pay Oracle $300 billion over five years to host AI applications on Oracle’s servers. The news sent Oracle shares up as much as 43%, and secured OpenAI’s ability to offer its large language models to clients. It’s also put Oracle founder and CEO Larry Ellison, now 81, just ahead of Elon Musk as the world’s richest man, according to Bloomberg. BBTW editor Peter Green sat down with AI consultant Lee Gaul, founder of Long Horizon AI Consulting, to understand the transaction.
BBTW: What just happened?Lee Gaul: Oracle! Like Obi-Wan Kenobi, this is a name I haven’t heard in years. But it makes a lot of sense: Companies are scrambling for what they call “more compute”, which means more servers on which to do their calculations. There are two competing ideas around the amount of compute that AI needs. Most commonly, when people hear about computers, they think of training these models. But it’s serving that AI that really is the name of the game.And it’s a real bottleneck for a lot of companies. There’s a limited number of real players out there, and the big three, Azure [Microsoft] $MSFT, Google Cloud $GOOG, and Amazon $AMZN Web Services, only have so much capacity.
So who is selling what to whom?OpenAI is buying, or essentially renting space in the Oracle cloud to run their AI models. So, when you make a call to ChatGPT, that is happening in the cloud on Azure.And now it’ll also happen with Oracle.OpenAI also uses Google, because they have to have that serving of that whole exchange with their chatbots on a massive cloud infrastructure. And that’s why it’s such a smart move for Oracle to get those big investments.
How does this affect OpenAI’s relationship with Microsoft?OpenAI uses the Azure cloud to train, to provide inference, or serve the product to their end users. They’ve been going to Google and now they’re going to Oracle, as well.
Will Oracle have to buy lots of Nvidia chips to build data centers, or is this going to use existing capacity?They’ve already got this capacity in place and with plans to continue to scale out the cloud infrastructure that they have. They’ve been shopping their capacity around and saying, look, we can support this amount and this capacity of cloud infrastructure and advanced AI processing capabilities today.They’re by no means building this up from scratch.
How long will this last?That’s the problem.The chips are only state-of-the-art for a year or so.So the data centers all have to be continually buying the most recent state-of-the-art chips.
Is this a new direction for Oracle? Is it saving them from extinction?I don’t think it’s in any way saving them from anything.Oracle is still ubiquitous and databases basically all run on Oracle, so that means that they’ve been quietly part of everyone’s tech stack in the enterprise for forever.Oracle had been overlooked as anything but a necessary evil. Now, they are able to say, hey, look, we have tons of advanced computing that we are ready to provide to all the cutting-edge AI systems out there. It’s all over Twitter and it’s all over the news, it’s been good for their brand.
This interview has been edited and condensed for brevity and clarity.
—Peter S. Green
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$ORCL ( ▼ 6.02% ) $MSFT ( ▲ 0.2% ) $GOOG ( ▲ 0.56% ) $AMZN ( ▼ 0.11% ) $SBUX ( ▼ 0.53% ) $META ( ▼ 0.09% ) $AAPL ( ▲ 1.58% ) $XOM ( ▼ 0.11% ) $CBRL ( ▲ 4.76% ) $AAUKF ( ▲ 0.93% ) $TECK ( ▲ 3.02% ) $CBRL ( ▲ 4.76% ) $NKE ( ▲ 0.05% ) $UAA ( ▲ 0.8% ) $ANPDF ( ▲ 2.77% ) $HYMTF ( ▼ 7.44% ) $BMWYY ( 0.0% ) $MBGAF ( ▲ 0.57% ) $TSLA ( ▲ 5.88% ) The usual suspects