Ben Williams joins the show to discuss pastoral identity and church life. Although we didn't know it at the time, this podcast couldn't have come at a better moment. It's a fitting tribute to the legacy of Eugene Peterson, who has just gone on Hospice care this week. We discuss the impact he has had on so many pastors.

Ben's Desert Island Books:

1. The Great Divorce - CS Lewis

2. Life Together - Deitrich Bonhoeffer

3. Under the Unpredictable Plant - Eugene Peterson

4. The Hobbit - JRR Tolkien

5. The Collected Works of GK Chesterton