We're starting something new on No Shame in Our Game. Sara turns the mic around and Lacey becomes the guest, and we're kicking off with the word Lacey uses to beat herself up that she hasn't done nearly as much work on as the other one: dramatic.

Big feelings, where they come from, what it costs to spend years making yourself smaller so other people are more comfortable. We went two episodes on this one because it kept going somewhere real. Part two is next week.

Timestamps

1. 00:00 — Welcome + introducing the new format
2. 01:00 — Sara sets the stage: where "no shame" started and why it matters
3. 03:30 — Guilt vs. shame: what Brené Brown got right (probably)
4. 06:00 — Lacey's topic: dramatic, big feelings, and the word she hasn't worked through yet
5. 09:30 — Where it started: being the biggest feeler in a house that didn't have room for it
6. 13:00 — Reality TV as a safe space to watch big feelings from the outside
7. 15:30 — "I self-edit so much I don't even know what that would look like"
8. 17:00 — The Joe story: "I am afraid of your big feelings"
9. 18:30 — What would it feel like to just... not edit?
10. 20:00 — The Midwest lane: you can be happy, but not too happy
11. 21:30 — Saying out loud that you're smart, pretty, and likable — and the qualifying that follows

Mentioned in This Episode

Brené Brown's work on shame vs. guilt — brenebrown.com

Miss Rachel's "Big Feelings" song — because apparently it's doing real work in Lacey's house

K-Pop Demon Hunters / Golden — Lacey's K-Pop moment that actually made a point

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