In this episode, Creative arts curriculum advisor Jackie King and Aboriginal Education Advisor Dominique Higgins are joined by Dharug Knowledge Holders Jasmine Seymour and Debbie Smith from the Bayala Aboriginal Corporation.  They are actively involved in Dharug language research, curriculum development, community teaching, and the broader revitalisation movement, with work grounded in cultural responsibility, community authority, and the collective care required to ensure Dharug continues to grow for future generations.  

Their songs “Yanma Ngurrawa” and “Ngarra Badhu,” are included in the Stage 4 unit Bigger than the song and we discuss the Language, story, protocols and permissions for teachers and students to learn these songs.   

Bigger than the song unit will be published on the Department’s Music 7-10 website in 2026.   

Note: Throughout this podcast terms such as First Nations or Indigenous are used. In NSW public schools, 'Aboriginal' or 'Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander' are preferred.