Carl and Richard talk to Billy Hollis about his views on where UI design is going. Billy talks about Metro, Microsoft's UI for Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 (irrespective of the games being played with names). As Billy says, design is here to stay, and we need to think more about it. It's not just about controls, its about how your applications organizing your business. Businesses have adapted to software, and now software is changing - time to exercise the other side of your brain!