On this episode, a conversation between Karola Kreitmair and Harold Schmidt. Professor Kreitmair is an Assistant Professor of bioethics at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health. And Professor Schmidt is an Assistant Professor of medical ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania's Perelman School of Medicine. He is also a research associate at the Center for Health Incentives and behavioral economics at the University of Pennsylvania, a senior fellow at the Leonard Davis Institute, and a member of UNESCO's ethics task force. This conversation was recorded on February 19, 2021.