Black Cat Chat: The Building Podcast

Black Cat Chat: S2 E01 with Jonathan Smith London Fire Brigade Commissioner


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Black Cat Chat returns for Series 2 with a fascinating conversation between Andy Clow and London Fire Commissioner Jonathan Smith BA MSc.

In this episode, Jonathan shares the scale and complexity of leading London Fire Brigade, the UK’s largest fire and rescue service, and explains how London’s unique built environment creates challenges unlike anywhere else in the country. From high-rise and ultra high-rise buildings to heritage assets, subterranean infrastructure, climate-related wildfire risk and lithium-ion battery fires, Jonathan explores how risk is changing and what that means for the fire service, the property sector and the wider built environment.

The conversation also looks at the lasting impact of Grenfell on building safety culture, the importance of early engagement between the public and private sectors, and why fire safety must be embedded from planning through to occupation.

A must-listen for anyone working in development, construction, building consultancy, asset management or property. 

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