This episode got DEEP! Shawn's childhood friend Roger joined the show and OFF THE RIP they got into whether or not it was deliberate to get married or committed relationship before having kids. The other circumstances where they wanted to have kids. Roger got into being a military dad and the struggles of being black in the military. Next, they got into fighting the narrative of "black men not being fathers"  and how their lack of a father's presence played on their lives. Would you let a man who wasn't a father to you be a grandfather to your kids?,,,AND there's so much more content in this hour!