Join Sgt. Tom Datro as he interviews Sgt. Cleon Joseph about what it is like to be a black officer who loves his community. They have uncomfortable conversations about growing up in a "well-off" family before losing it all in a recession, becoming an activist and the internal struggle he went through when applying to become a police officer. They talk about the death of George Floyd, reparations and the underlying implicit bias that reveals itself every time an officer pulls over a black man.

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