There's a common phrase in Occult circles that often precedes a cautionary tale: "blowing your life up with magic." The story goes something like this: a burgeoning magician, fresh off the armchair, skips a few steps or bites off more than they can chew. Sometimes this neophyte is drawn to a dark current that they aren't prepared for, or catfished by a parasitic entity. What tends to unfold is the practitioner's life unraveling, and often poorly applied magical remedies just dig them deeper into a hole. It's a common enough story that I find it fascinating, and would be lying if I said I didn't have some experiences that might qualify. On the one hand, this trope is plucked straight from the ancient tale "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" and can serve the common fairy-tale function of reinforcing the exoteric societal taboo that magic and the occult are not to be messed with. More interesting to me, though, is when blowing up your life with magic can be conceived of as an initiatory experience. When the spirits or the powers that be may be taking apart your life to build it back better. Is there a way to transition from a disenchanted world to one teeming with magic without undergoing a radical change? I'm so excited to explore this question today with the delightful Janie Roberts.

Before that conversation, though, I just want to throw out a quick plug for the Radical Elphame Patreon page. There you will find extended interviews, exclusive essays, a private Discord server, and an entirely Patreon-exclusive podcast that I do with my friend Chaise Levy called The Imbas Transmissions. I've also got a free Substack that I'm particularly proud of, called The Foliate Head, where I have the opportunity to expand on the subjects we explore on this show through a different medium. Over on Substack, I've just released the sixth part of my ongoing essay series on the various theories surrounding the nature of faeries, which explores the relationship between faeries, time travel, and Pulp Fiction. If you like this show, I know you'll love this series. Without further ado, here's my chat with Janie Roberts.

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Janie's Substack: Wild Horse Circle

Janie's IG: @wherearethebigpeople

Janie's Links: https://linktr.ee/wildhorsecircle