This is a continuing conversation with Deprofessionallized Intellectual, Author, Activist, mentor, and dear friend, Gustavo Esteva. We discuss the effects of policing within the United States/Mexico, truth, reconciliation, indigenous restorative justice, transforming rage into love, and much more. Recording Date: Saturday, July 17th, 2021. To learn more about me, please visit: www.blindmaninblack.com