In Part 3 of his interview with Gustavo Esteva (deprofessionalized intellectual, author, activist and advisor to the Zapatistas), the (B)MIB (Brian Snyder) revisits their “peculiar” conversation about living and loving in the era of COVID-19, GMOs, neo-feudalism, neo-fascism, the American way of life, Carlos Slim, indigenous learning, food sovereignty, forest management, wildfires, George Carlin, climate collapse, anger, guilt, forgiveness, and Brian’s nervous tick of saying “you know” throughout his interviews, and much more.