Is Martech heading toward a prolonged downturn? Valuations are down, funding is drying up and Martech and Adtech are at historical lows even after the pandemic tech boom. This week, Juan and Scott discuss the unique opportunities for the next round of category creators to ride out of the Martech downturn. This, and no code innovation, Spotify and podcasting, Google's growing workplace ecosystem, and a good marketing automation joke!

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