Is it possible to get volunteers to pay you for the privilege of volunteering? Stacey has some opinions! Also this week, we tackle a really ugly scenario where the board and staff don't trust each other, and Andy gets to completely geek out on negotiating indirect cost rates on federal grant agreements. If that's not your cup of tea, it was a really windy day when we were recording this, so if the questions aren't interesting at least you can enjoy the manic windchimes in the background.