My guest today is Bob Carr - the longest serving premier of NSW who also served as Australian Foreign Minister in the Gillard Government.

Bob is a former journalist who has published several books touching on literature, Australian history, and his time in politics.

We had covered a variety of subjects in our chat - some of those like immigration and foreign policy - where I thought there is a surprising overlap with those who have a national conservative perspective.

On others, like trade policy, as you will see, he was less interested in discussing.

We also covered China, JD Vance’s recent speech, his views on Make America Healthy Again, who he thinks are the best writers and most well-read politicians in Australia today, and much more.

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