Bob Meese and Edwin Bodge are two builders from one of the most innovative companies in education today, Duolingo.

Bob is Duolingo’s Chief Business Officer and Edwin is the lead product manager on Duolingo Max, Duolingo’s GPT-4 enabled personalized learning product.

In the episode Jason, Bob, and Edwin discuss the gaming influence on Duolingo’s product and business model, the origin story behind Duolingo Max, and the broader impact of games and AI on education.

Patronage is hosted by Brian Cho, Jason Yeh, and Amber Atherton from Patron, an early stage venture fund investing in a broader gaming thesis.