👉🏼 About the Guest:

Bobby Pinero (CEO at Equals) has been an analyst for the past decade. With 8 years at Intercom, building Finance, Analytics, Biz Ops, and several other functions, he built out functions that took the company from $1M ARR and ~20 employees to ~$200M ARR and ~700 employees. 

He then launched Equals in the middle of 2021, raising a total of ~$23M from Kristina Shen at Andreessen Horowitz and David Sacks at Craft Ventures. 

👉🏼 About the Host:

Sharath is a founder, creator, and community builder. He is also a serial maker who built and shipped 15+ projects using no-code tools. His SaaS product Shoutout generated $30k ARR, which was sold to a UK-based product studio. Prev, Sharath worked for world-changing startups like Product Hunt and On Deck, where he helped build and nurture communities. He also grew his audience on Twitter from 200 to 22,000 using give-first principles and creating high-value content. Currently, he is the Head of Community + Brand at Threado, building a side project called GuestLab, and runs a newsletter called YC Founder Stories alongside hosting this podcast.

👉🏼 Sponsor Corner:

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👉🏼 Description:

Tune in as Sharath and Bobby Pinero discuss the beauty of spreadsheets, pricing as a founder, and taking big bets as a founder.

👉🏼 Timestamps:

• 00:00: Episode Highlight
• 00:29: Shoutout to Acquire.com
• 02:55: Introduction to Bobby Pinero and Equals - next-gen spreadsheets
• 06:29: The process of leaving corporate to build your own startup
• 11:55: Bobby's journey as a builder from early-stage startups to starting his own business
• 16:50: Maintaining courage as a startup founder
• 20:38: Why building in spreadsheets is Bobby's calling
• 25:27: Big bets vs small bets when building a startup
• 27:00: The founding story of Equals
• 30:28: The impact of raising money on building your product
• 34:31: How to get customer feedback when building a large product vs MVP
• 39:14: How Bobby built in public - in an unusual way
• 42:43: Pricing advice for early-stage startups
• 50:25: Frameworks for pricing and going freemium
• 53:51: Finding a niche in a crowded and competitive market
• 56:34: Finding the sweet spot to build in as a founder
• 59:57: Raising $6.6M for a seed round at Equals - process, networking, deciding the amount
• 1:04:11: Scaling Intercom from $1M to $200M
• 1:09:14: The similarities between Intercom and Equals
• 1:10:54: Lessons from building Intercom that are important at Equals
• 1:15:22: What's next for Equals?
• 1:18:02: How to keep going every single day as a founder
• 1:22:51: Outro and closing thoughts

👉🏼 Resources:

• Equals: https://equals.com/
• Intercom: https://www.intercom.com/
• Abbey, Business Operations at Equals: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abbey-minondo/
• "How Freemium Nearly Killed My Business": https://wraptext.equals.com/the-fallacy-of-freemium-in-saas/

👉🏼 Where to find Bobby Pinero:

• Twitter: https://twitter.com/bobbypinero
• Equals: https://wraptext.equals.com/author/bobby/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bobby_pinero/
• Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbypinero

👉🏼 Where to find Sharath:

• Twitter: https://twitter.com/5harath
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@5harath
• Website: https://5harath.com/
• Newsletter: https://5harath.substack.com/