It's Fall!  'Tis the season for crisp air, bright leaves, pumpkins and  ... surfing?  Apparently it is, so we're talking about surfing with Jeremy Avellino in this bonus episode during water week of our 4 Elements Series.  But we won't just be talking about surfing and how it can be a mystical and transformative thin place.  We also talk about Jeremy's work as an architect, and take a wandering path that leads us through lots more provocative, challenging and inspiring topics.

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