Presented with our friends at Autoptic 2021 Digital Festival. In the first half of this episode, Katie and Sally discuss "Tummy Bugs" (2020) by Leomi Sadler, and in the second half interview Leomi about her process, inspirations, and more. Topics discussed include Gary Lund, Kramer's Ergot, Flaming Carrot, clip art, art brut, The Point, Tove Jansson, bootlegs, and more. Special thanks to Autoptic Festival for making this episode possible. Find more by Leomi Sadler by visiting leomisadler.com and on Instagram @leomi_sadler. Follow Thick Lines on Instagram @thicklinespod.