Throughout the four years of making Other Men Need Help, we’ve only had one sobbing, physical moment during an interview. In today’s bonus episode, following an unexpected in-flight experience, Mark returns to a tender moment recorded in 2017 prompted by a TV patriarch that deserves canonization, and checks in to see if it still resonates.

Hosted, written, and executive produced by Mark Pagán. Lead producer is Caitlin Mae Burke. Produced by Ben Goldberg and Rebecca Seidel. Cierra Franco and Shaneez Tyndall are our associate producers. Our lead engineer is Rebecca Seidel.

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Original music by Fulton Street Music Group with additional music from Blue Dot Sessions.

Episode illustration by Carmela Caldart.