Joan Gordon and Diane Lambert discuss the meaning and implication of the character Jolenta in The Book of the New Sun.

Gordon wrote the first non-fiction book on Gene Wolfe's works. She's a teacher and scholar. 

Lambert is a moderator of the Gene Wolfe Appreciation Society Facebook Group. She is also a teacher and a scholar. 

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• Intro from "The Alligator", Annihilation soundtrack by Ben Salisbury and Geoff Barrow

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