MIKE JACKSON — co-founder of Get Lifted Film Co., Emmy-winning producer, and host of the Why Not Me? podcast — returns for a bonus episode to discuss two seminal artworks from his life – Kwame Brathwaite’s photographs of the Jackson 5 and Muhammad Ali, both taken on the coast of Africa in 1974.

Check the photos out here:

Brathwaite's Ali photo: https://kwamebrathwaite.com/artworks/5030-kwame-brathwaite-ali-gray-day-on-the-congo-1974-c.-printed-2017/

Brathwaite's Jackson 5 photo: https://kwamebrathwaite.com/artworks/5130-kwame-brathwaite-untitled-jacksons-on-boat-from-goree-island-1974-c.-printed-2018/

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Be sure to listen to the first part of my chat with Mike, too:

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mike-jackson-doesnt-care-if-he-ruffles-feathers-get/id1807437928?i=1000721055362

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0X6bgskARdOvYaD3p3XYV4?si=3b18bcc9dbe44339

Substack: https://colehaddon.substack.com/p/new-podcast-episode-q-and-a-producer?utm_source=publication-search

Mike and I discuss the following and much more:

• Mike and I discuss the following and much more:
• The intersection of the history of the North American slave trade and these two photos of iconic Black Americans on the coast of Africa, contemplating the ocean between them and their country
• Mike’s emotional relationship to and interpretation of each of these photos
• How Kwame Brathwaite’s work has only been recently rediscovered by Brathwaite’s son
• The impact of Brathwaite’s photographs on America culture – but obviously, especially Black American culture
• The impact of Brathwaite’s phrase “Black is beautiful” – which he popularized – had on Mike growing up even before Mike knew who Brathwaite was
• Thoughts on Brathwaite’s compositions and possible reasons his popularity didn’t extend more deeply into white American culture during the photographer’s lifetime
• The influence of Brathwaite on Black American artists today.

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LINKS:

• Learn more about Mike Jackson here: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1685816/

• Listen to Mike’s podcast Why Not Me? here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-not-me-with-mike-jackson/id1751395437https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-not-me-with-mike-jackson/id1751395437

• Learn more about Kwame Brathwaite here: https://kwamebrathwaite.com/
• Check out my favorite Brathwaite photo here: https://kwamebrathwaite.com/artworks/7279-kwame-brathwaite-untitled-crowd-at-human-kindness-day-1975-c.-printed-2021/

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